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xrm67

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11. Freshwater ice melt from inland glaciers is not the same as old sea ice
Thu Apr 9, 2015, 11:39 AM
Apr 2015

Last edited Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:29 PM - Edit history (2)

Increases in Arctic sea ice are, as I said, new ice formed by freshwater that has melted off inland glaciers. As glaciers melt, they pour cold freshwater into the ocean. This freshwater is less dense and easier to freeze than salty seawater. If this is accounted for, then your "higher minima" of sea ice goes out the window and an exponential trend is clear. You can still have upward fluctuations on a downward trend. That is the same thing that has happened in the Antarctic which climate change deniers cling to as proof that everything is OK. You can sit there and call people loons all day long while the polar caps melt away, but you're not changing the reality on the ground.

Expanding Antarctic Sea Ice is Flooding ‘Warning Bell’

"The stunning outward spread of ice floes atop the seas surrounding the South Pole has been caused by cold freshwater flowing out of melting Antarctic glaciers."

http://www.climatecentral.org/news/antarctica-ice-melt-sea-level-18155


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Arctic melt leading to weakest Gulf Stream in a 1,000 years

The currents are probably affected by changes in ocean density as fresh water melts from Arctic ice sheets, scientists led by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research said in a study Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change.

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/arctic-melt-leading-to-weakest-gulf-stream-in-a-1000-years-20150323-1m6102.html


Just One meter would be an economic catastrophe mackdaddy Apr 2015 #1
...for each meter of sea level rise, the coastline is eroded, over time, by 100 meters. xrm67 Apr 2015 #2
Good links , Thanks mackdaddy Apr 2015 #3
I wish they wouldn't say generations and use years yeoman6987 Apr 2015 #26
“The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2015 #4
But what says sea level rise is exponential? muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #5
Death by fire and flood xrm67 Apr 2015 #6
The PIOMAS model is a linear trend of -3000 km3/decade muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #8
Exponential, exponential, exponential... xrm67 Apr 2015 #9
And those uses of 'exponential' are incorrect muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #10
Freshwater ice melt from inland glaciers is not the same as old sea ice xrm67 Apr 2015 #11
That's the first time you've mentioned freshwater, or inland glaciers muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #13
If you actually read the article and know a little science, it would help xrm67 Apr 2015 #14
Freshwater pulses slowing down ocean currents has nothing to do with sea level or ice area muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #15
How else can I explain this to you before it sinks in? xrm67 Apr 2015 #16
Well done. GliderGuider Apr 2015 #17
No, no link about a meltwater pulse in your blog post muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #18
I will write a blog post about this and hopefully answer your questions once and for all. xrm67 Apr 2015 #19
Again, no doubling period has been 'established' for sea level rise muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #22
Doubling time of less than 5 years has been established. xrm67 Apr 2015 #24
2 data points for ice loss does not mean 'exponential sea level rise' muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #27
Any rational person can now see than an exponential doubling period has been established xrm67 Apr 2015 #28
If you watch the video of Box I linked to in #22, you see he got the 69 feet from Alley muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #30
We already have several data points showing exponential growth xrm67 Apr 2015 #31
Dear Baby Jebus, where do you get the patience? Systematic Chaos Apr 2015 #44
If it's in fits and starts, it's not exponential, by definition (nt) muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #45
That depends on the time frame, nicht war? GliderGuider Apr 2015 #48
Any process for something to be exponential while having gaps when nothing happens muriel_volestrangler Apr 2015 #52
Here is the real condition of Arctic sea ice and it's not good xrm67 Apr 2015 #33
Limits to Growth projections were correct... We're on track for collapse of industrial civilization xrm67 Apr 2015 #12
Limits to Growth projections were correct? LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #21
Yes, I'm sure they're all wrong. Where's my TV remote? Pass me the buttered popcorn. xrm67 Apr 2015 #23
Nice try LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #36
You really are Clueless xrm67 Apr 2015 #42
Where is your proof? LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #53
How do you get exponentially declining sea ice... LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #20
Earth Sensitivity to Human Forcings is what matters xrm67 Apr 2015 #25
What's your opinion of the Earth System sensitivity estimate by Wasdell et al GliderGuider Apr 2015 #29
I'd say it's not supported by the evidence LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #34
LOL!!! One of the authors of that paper is a climate change denier xrm67 Apr 2015 #40
Judith Curry is not a denier LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #51
And the other author has major credibility problems as well xrm67 Apr 2015 #41
You didn't answer my question LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #35
ALL you have to do is look at the Keeling Curve xrm67 Apr 2015 #38
CO2 != Energy LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #46
You can't possibly be this stupid. GliderGuider Apr 2015 #49
Please LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #50
This definitely looks like exponential energy consumption xrm67 Apr 2015 #39
Question LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #47
So this Climate Change Denier drive the bus of humanity off a cliff.... mackdaddy Apr 2015 #32
Predictions for the Future: A Grim Outlook xrm67 Apr 2015 #7
LOL LouisvilleDem Apr 2015 #37
Pointless comment xrm67 Apr 2015 #43
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