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In reply to the discussion: Catastrophic Sea Level Rise within Three Generations [View all]xrm67
(21 posts)11. Freshwater ice melt from inland glaciers is not the same as old sea ice
Last edited Thu Apr 9, 2015, 04:29 PM - Edit history (2)
Increases in Arctic sea ice are, as I said, new ice formed by freshwater that has melted off inland glaciers. As glaciers melt, they pour cold freshwater into the ocean. This freshwater is less dense and easier to freeze than salty seawater. If this is accounted for, then your "higher minima" of sea ice goes out the window and an exponential trend is clear. You can still have upward fluctuations on a downward trend. That is the same thing that has happened in the Antarctic which climate change deniers cling to as proof that everything is OK. You can sit there and call people loons all day long while the polar caps melt away, but you're not changing the reality on the ground.
Expanding Antarctic Sea Ice is Flooding Warning Bell
"The stunning outward spread of ice floes atop the seas surrounding the South Pole has been caused by cold freshwater flowing out of melting Antarctic glaciers."
http://www.climatecentral.org/news/antarctica-ice-melt-sea-level-18155
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Arctic melt leading to weakest Gulf Stream in a 1,000 years
The currents are probably affected by changes in ocean density as fresh water melts from Arctic ice sheets, scientists led by the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research said in a study Monday in the journal Nature Climate Change.
http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/arctic-melt-leading-to-weakest-gulf-stream-in-a-1000-years-20150323-1m6102.html
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...for each meter of sea level rise, the coastline is eroded, over time, by 100 meters.
xrm67
Apr 2015
#2
“The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function.
dixiegrrrrl
Apr 2015
#4
That's the first time you've mentioned freshwater, or inland glaciers
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#13
Freshwater pulses slowing down ocean currents has nothing to do with sea level or ice area
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#15
I will write a blog post about this and hopefully answer your questions once and for all.
xrm67
Apr 2015
#19
Again, no doubling period has been 'established' for sea level rise
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#22
2 data points for ice loss does not mean 'exponential sea level rise'
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#27
Any rational person can now see than an exponential doubling period has been established
xrm67
Apr 2015
#28
If you watch the video of Box I linked to in #22, you see he got the 69 feet from Alley
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#30
If it's in fits and starts, it's not exponential, by definition (nt)
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#45
Any process for something to be exponential while having gaps when nothing happens
muriel_volestrangler
Apr 2015
#52
Limits to Growth projections were correct... We're on track for collapse of industrial civilization
xrm67
Apr 2015
#12
Yes, I'm sure they're all wrong. Where's my TV remote? Pass me the buttered popcorn.
xrm67
Apr 2015
#23
What's your opinion of the Earth System sensitivity estimate by Wasdell et al
GliderGuider
Apr 2015
#29