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FBaggins

(28,631 posts)
13. Yes it is (both off... and yours)
Mon Aug 3, 2015, 09:49 AM
Aug 2015

I have no need to "smear" them because they don't say what you claim that they say.

All of the information items you are trying to make false assertions about are the statements and judgement of:

Let's see... I corrected three statements

1 - These reactors are so far off that just the prototype of the most advanced model is up to 35 years off
2 - Pursuing any of them is a waste of resources if your priority is to combat climate change
3 - There is no answer for the drawbacks of using sodium

2&3 are easy - since IRSN never said either one of them.

1 - is easy as well... but it assumes that you actually read the report - rather than intentionally misread once line of the summary. They do not say that only one reactor will even have a prototype in the next 35 years. They say exactly what I said... that they expect ASTRID to be completed in the next ten years. They also note that both India and Russia are (as of the time of writing) expected to reach criticality in 2014/2015.

They address China' HTR-PM prototype which should be completed in the next couple years. That's clearly a prototype of a second type of reactor. Their comment isn't that they'll barely be to the prototype phase 35 years from now... it's that the design doesn't fit France's priorities. They want a design that can replace current reactor designs with an improved fuel cycle that can burn their current waste. VHTRs currently show promise for the second part of that, but not the first because it isn't known that they can be large enough to replace GW+scale units.

IOW - They don't say that there won't be prototypes in the next 35 years (they mention nearer-term prototypes for other designs as well)... it's that there's no current plan for a prototype at a large-enough scale to evaluate as a fit for France's priorities. If, for instance, their only priority was to consume their waste plutonium... the HTR-PM in China would be a suitable prototype.

I find it entertaining that for some technologies (e.g., "rock batteries" and commercial wave generation) you take an unsupportedly optimistic reading of the available literature and claim that they're essentially "off-the-shelf" existing technologies and will be ready for commercial-scale applications any day now... and then misread opinions like this one to claim that they say that there's no point in wasting resources because even a pilot is decades away.


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Future Of Nuclear Industry Takes Yet Another Hit bananas Jul 2015 #1
As I've said a number of times, I was told the same thing 40 years ago by experts in the field. bananas Jul 2015 #2
The only people who delude themselves that nukes can ever be safe are those in the industry Cleita Jul 2015 #3
A couple corrections/clarifications FBaggins Jul 2015 #4
Are these the ones that use nuclear waste to operate? lonestarnot Jul 2015 #5
Yes, and others. nt bananas Jul 2015 #6
I hate to ask anti-nukes questions involving logic, but... NNadir Jul 2015 #7
It's always "worth" improving safety FBaggins Jul 2015 #8
That would depend on what you make "safer..." NNadir Jul 2015 #9
Most of those 7 million deaths you throw out there madokie Aug 2015 #17
The ability to make this type of reactor meet minimum safety standards isn't yet achieved. kristopher Jul 2015 #10
Your timeline is off FBaggins Jul 2015 #11
No, my timeline isn't off - it isn't mine. kristopher Jul 2015 #12
Yes it is (both off... and yours) FBaggins Aug 2015 #13
You are quite the character kristopher Aug 2015 #14
Sigh. Can't be bothered to actually read the report that you claim you're using as a source? FBaggins Aug 2015 #15
Exactly as I expected - you are misdefining "prototype" kristopher Aug 2015 #16
Exactly as I expected - you're trying to spin away from the context FBaggins Aug 2015 #19
ROFLMAO kristopher Aug 2015 #21
Your post #10 is the one in question - not #14 FBaggins Aug 2015 #22
Get a life (and a clue) Bags. kristopher Aug 2015 #23
Only one phase of nuclear energy is relatively clean, producing the electricity. madokie Aug 2015 #18
Sorry... that's nonsense. FBaggins Aug 2015 #20
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