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shira

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79. Amira Hass isn't really a post-zionist....
Sat Nov 23, 2013, 08:39 AM
Nov 2013

Last edited Sat Nov 23, 2013, 09:12 AM - Edit history (2)

These views make her anti-zionist...

But happily, and to our relief, the Palestinians are one people (unlike the hundreds that were in America ) and the process of Jewish settlement did not wipe them out. We are in a different age and a different region. Thinking big makes us forget that, unlike the model we admire and seek to emulate, we are a minority in the region. And the region is evolving and demanding a change in the rules of the game that have been so convenient for the United States and Israel.

The real question is not whether the solution is “two states” or “one state.” History in any case does not recognize end points – every stage leads to another. Visions are also not lacking. The visions must develop and change during the struggle for equality and justice, otherwise they will become gulags. The question was, and is, how much more bloodshed, suffering and disasters will be needed until the Jewish regime of discrimination and separation, which we have created here over the past 64 years, crumbles.

The Palestinians provided us, the Israelis, a ladder that would have saved us the kind of suffering and loss that we have caused them. A ladder that we could have climbed to a historic rung where we could have been accepted in the region as neighbors who also have roots in this place and rights – not only as aggressive invaders. But successive Israeli governments, with the backing of their voters, have knocked the ladder over. They knew only too well why they must thwart the two-state solution (in its original, pre-1967 borders format ). It would have led to different ways of living together and sharing the land. But the basic logic of these ways of life requires giving up Jewish hegemony and superiority.

http://mondoweiss.net/2012/04/amira-hass-explains-why-israels-u-s-model-of-ethnic-cleansing-failed-and-why-jewish-regime-will-crumble.html

She prefers not to live among Jews, which makes her pretty bigoted.
http://rabble.ca/news/2011/10/revulsion-repression-conversation-amira-hass

"To tell you the truth I cannot see myself living in a purely Jewish environment. I will not be able to move back to an Israel if I had to, and to live in Tel Aviv or Jerusalem.... I told my Palestinian friends, who are Israeli citizens, okay if I am kicked out of Ramallah, I will go and live in a Palestinian neighborhood, in Israel itself."


Neither Tel Aviv or Jerusalem are purely Jewish. There are lots of Jews there, however, like Amos Oz and David Grossman in Jerusalem. Tel Aviv is an extremely liberal city.

I'm sure you'll deny the bigotry. Any settler saying the same thing, that they wouldn't want to live among Palestinians, but instead Jews, is a rightwing bigot in your view. Not so for Hass.

Thank you bravenak libodem Nov 2013 #1
I always root for the underdog. bravenak Nov 2013 #3
I watched a Charlie Rose interview libodem Nov 2013 #7
I hope that this hard line thinking is dying like the Republican Party here at home. bravenak Nov 2013 #107
I hope so, too libodem Nov 2013 #112
That's how I saw it too, through the American eye. I think they're trying to put them on the bravenak Nov 2013 #113
If u really want to know what the IDF is doing, there are 2 Israelis here.... shira Nov 2013 #114
"...a fixed Israeli reflex" oberliner Nov 2013 #2
Yeah, Shira turned me on to Ms.Hass. She's good, huh? bravenak Nov 2013 #4
Found in court to be a liar King_David Nov 2013 #8
oh please she was fined over a decade ago during the second Intifada azurnoir Nov 2013 #11
Decade or whatever King_David Nov 2013 #13
in a trial that was the equivelent of a civil rights worker in the south in 1962 azurnoir Nov 2013 #14
She lied , she's a liar, she was fined King_David Nov 2013 #24
Still more credible than you'll ever be, Dave. n/t Scootaloo Nov 2013 #76
Are you REALLY Bohunk68 Nov 2013 #77
He is very attached to his positions BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #54
Do you believe every court ruling is fact? Or only ones you agree with? n/t Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #27
This one is fact . King_David Nov 2013 #29
Okay, so it's only the ones you agree with... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #30
No problem but my answer wasn't the same as you said it was King_David Nov 2013 #31
How is asking you a question bullying? Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #32
Hey I see your back to your old self, King_David Nov 2013 #33
Uh, yr the one who did the personal heavying thing... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #38
Well that's your shtick...I don't have anyone on ignore ever King_David Nov 2013 #40
Well, let me start going ahead and ignoring you... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #41
If you click on yr own transparency page King_David Nov 2013 #42
No, Skinner removed that a fair while ago... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #44
Oh ok it's been a while , King_David Nov 2013 #45
no you can not that was removed months ago because people started running 'vanity' threads sbout it azurnoir Nov 2013 #52
K-D, I think I want your job. You're flying all over the world constantly.... shira Nov 2013 #48
I'm a Surgeon and I teach , King_David Nov 2013 #66
Ah you're a doctor I see azurnoir Nov 2013 #69
No , love it there tho King_David Nov 2013 #70
Not Toronto though? No sadly I'm not- close though Minnesota azurnoir Nov 2013 #71
Toronto is just like any other US city King_David Nov 2013 #72
Have you noticed that you have been moved away from the OP? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #123
"stormfront-like tactics" does not say "identical to stormfront" delrem Nov 2013 #127
Oh, god, why are you trying to make this a bullying cry fest? R. Daneel Olivaw Nov 2013 #122
I think he must be joking. bravenak Nov 2013 #124
What does that mean King_David Nov 2013 #133
So now she can't write an opinion piece. bravenak Nov 2013 #16
Anyone can write an opinion piece King_David Nov 2013 #25
Was it a kangaroo court? bravenak Nov 2013 #34
It was an Israeli court King_David Nov 2013 #36
Was she allowed to prove her case by having her witnesses? If not, kangaroo court it is. bravenak Nov 2013 #37
Israeli courts found her guilty King_David Nov 2013 #39
Bizarre? bravenak Nov 2013 #43
Court rulings true King_David Nov 2013 #46
So no answer then. bravenak Nov 2013 #47
She lied she was fined King_David Nov 2013 #49
Oh, I see what you're trying to do here. bravenak Nov 2013 #50
It's actually not a complicated issue King_David Nov 2013 #55
What did the jury of her peers have to say? bravenak Nov 2013 #57
We talking Israel here not her neighbors to the north south or east nt King_David Nov 2013 #65
So.? bravenak Nov 2013 #125
Hass was flat busted when TV video evidence proved she lied. n/t shira Nov 2013 #80
Link to the video? bravenak Nov 2013 #126
There was TV video evidence at that time in 2001. shira Nov 2013 #134
So no video. :( bravenak Nov 2013 #135
I've shown you video of other things and you claimed bullshit... shira Nov 2013 #136
They've have 12 years to put it on the Internet. bravenak Nov 2013 #137
But you've already made your mind up, no matter what video exists... shira Nov 2013 #138
Yeah, right. I would be convinced if I saw the video,and it did not show anything untoward occurring bravenak Nov 2013 #139
she said a bunch of Hebron settlers kicked the corpse of a Palestinian during the second Intifada azurnoir Nov 2013 #67
I tried once to have a discussion BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #56
I know what you mean. bravenak Nov 2013 #58
You've more patience than I. BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #59
It was indeed. You should read it sometime. bravenak Nov 2013 #60
You'd think he was from Eygpt floating BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #61
Rofl is absolutely permitted. bravenak Nov 2013 #62
True and none of this changes the fact BlueToTheBone Nov 2013 #63
I think the best thing we can do is keep pointing it out. bravenak Nov 2013 #64
You guys are talking about me as if I'm not here.. King_David Nov 2013 #68
I just missed you. bravenak Nov 2013 #73
Shalom bravenak.... Israeli Nov 2013 #74
Thank you very much. bravenak Nov 2013 #75
Amira Hass isn't really a post-zionist.... shira Nov 2013 #79
she is shira ... Israeli Nov 2013 #81
I thought post-zionists were strong 2-state advocates. Hass is not. shira Nov 2013 #84
some are shira ....some are not ... Israeli Nov 2013 #86
Some post-zionists are anti-zionists? Like Gideon Levy? shira Nov 2013 #89
I know your confused shira .... Israeli Nov 2013 #104
Can't say I'm surprised to see u defending 1-state advocates... shira Nov 2013 #109
Interesting and "true" article for anyone King_David Nov 2013 #111
As King_David says, "It was an Israeli court". delrem Nov 2013 #128
They care not for justice, equality, diplomacy or much else I associate with the left. bravenak Nov 2013 #129
Good that bibi didn't get his war - but he's still strutting about like a pouter pigeon. delrem Nov 2013 #130
I like Kerry in this position a lot better. Clinton was okay, but Kerry doesn't put up with Bibi's bravenak Nov 2013 #131
Yup. an optimistic turn. delrem Nov 2013 #132
She has her moments oberliner Nov 2013 #9
I read Reporting From Ramallah. It's very good... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #15
She gets people to stop and think about what's going on. bravenak Nov 2013 #19
Yeah, she was one of the first people I read things about the conflict from... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #26
If I can get my hands on a paperback I will. bravenak Nov 2013 #35
No progressive for peace & against violence should be endorsing Hass.... shira Nov 2013 #83
In defense of Amira Hass .... Israeli Nov 2013 #87
Hass supports rock-throwing at Israelis/Jews because she considers.... shira Nov 2013 #90
Produce with a link what you believe demonstrates this poster cheered on rock throwing to Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #91
Bravenak can tell you herself that she agreed with Hass' article about stone-throwing.... shira Nov 2013 #92
NO, I asked you, you're the one making tha accusations..so produce the link Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #93
Google it yourself or ask Bravenak. You're not worth my time. n/t shira Nov 2013 #94
That you decided not to back up your claims speaks volumes about your intentions Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #95
No, it means you're lazy. It took me seconds to find the thread... shira Nov 2013 #96
The responsibility belongs to you to produce what you believe demonstrates your claim Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #97
Her support for rock-throwing @ civilians is all over that thread. Don't be lazy... shira Nov 2013 #98
This is about YOUR opinion, that you believe you possess credibility on the I/P subject, well Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #99
If you really want to know the score, read that thread.... shira Nov 2013 #100
I already answered you, stop repeating yourself. Your claims against bravenak are false. Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #115
I didn't say that. bravenak Nov 2013 #101
You made a lot of contradictory statements. It's why I kept pressing for consistency... shira Nov 2013 #102
Your posts are like ransom notes to me. bravenak Nov 2013 #103
You say one thing, then another. I'm trying to give you a way out.... shira Nov 2013 #105
That's because I won't help to to call children terrorists. bravenak Nov 2013 #106
Simple questions.... shira Nov 2013 #108
Do we really have to do this again? bravenak Nov 2013 #110
I know u said yr against children getting hurt, but children have died due to stone-throwing... shira Nov 2013 #116
It'd not my job to condemn every single act of violence committed by whomever you choose bravenak Nov 2013 #117
okay, that's an answer. sort of... shira Nov 2013 #118
I have no idea what's going on in any of your videos. They're clips and in a language I don't speak bravenak Nov 2013 #119
Right. Don't believe your eyes. Obviously, the people in those vehicles.... shira Nov 2013 #120
You're just trying to derail the thread. bravenak Nov 2013 #121
Where's the rest of the article? Did u actually read the whole thing? shira Nov 2013 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author bravenak Nov 2013 #6
How to bypass the paywall delrem Nov 2013 #10
Thanks for the tip... Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #17
hey there! delrem Nov 2013 #21
Hey! Violet_Crumble Nov 2013 #23
WATCH: IDF detains 5 to 9-year-old Palestinian children in Qaddum azurnoir Nov 2013 #12
This is scary. bravenak Nov 2013 #18
Scarier than that. delrem Nov 2013 #20
This is why I oppose the idea of calling children terrorists. bravenak Nov 2013 #22
More info about the kids azurnoir Nov 2013 #51
I think this is very sad and I believe the us is in part to blame. bravenak Nov 2013 #53
How any soldier can sleep at night after conducting themselves this way is beyond me. Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #28
That's like saying more southern slaveowners should have stopped owning slaves Scootaloo Nov 2013 #78
When the objective is to inject fear in a child of 5 years old, you're a participant Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #82
Absolutely Scootaloo Nov 2013 #85
Agreed, and I did not intend to suggest you were excusing their conduct. Jefferson23 Nov 2013 #88
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