Mr. President, Don’t Forget The Nakba

[pelsar]

436. you have a very simplistic view of the conflict....

Last edited Sat Jan 4, 2014, 04:21 AM - Edit history (2)

in order to have an intelligent conversation, one does need to have a grasp of the actual history.

for instance, Hamas was infact elected in gaza, but in a local election, the PA was in charge of "security", relations to the rest of the world, importing and exporting. I assume you didn't know that, I assume you didn't know that it was illegal for hamas to then kill the PA members (fatah) and fully take over gaza (its called coup)

to perhaps better explain, it would be like a state in the US, attacking all federal troops within the state, killing them, and then creating its own foreign and domestic policy.

so infact hamas was not elected to completely control gaza, just the local issues....what your defending is a religious coup. I'm glad to see that you defend theocratic dictatorships (as so many here agree with you: civil rights clearly is of secondary importance).

2) The UN is powerless.
I assume your not aware of the Syrian spring, having crossed the border into Lebanon. (that means people in Lebanon are now being killed, not just Syrians). This is a result of dictatorships, they are not stable.The Palestinians have two present dictatorships.

Perhaps you didn't notice that when missiles/rockets were and are launched from Lebanon into israel, from Egyptian soil, from gaza, from iraq, the UN cannot do anything. Did you not notice those things?, we do and those missiles infact are not just terrorism, they also kill.

3) This is the big test...we now get to see if you can accept new knowledge, digest it, consider it and remark on it...or do you have just 'knee jerk reactions" and can't really consider new information:

If I felt my house was under attack, I would create a buffer zone between my house and the attackers,
there was and is a buffer zone in Lebanon (and there is one today as well)....attacks still occurred as they do today. (and the UN just watches) in 67, there was a UN buffer zone, until the UN left (nasser told them to), in gaza there is buffer zone that has gradually been increased as the attacks from gaza have never ceased (changes however are now occurring as egypt shut down their border with gaza).

i.e. your "buffer zone" idea is as old as the conflict, at best it slows down the attacks, it does not stop them, Anti tank missiles, missiles and rockets easily fly over and through them

now what?...do you have another idea?
___________________

Infact israel does not get to "dictate" who is the Palestinian leadership, I just happen to believe that the creation of yet another occupation/dictatorship is not just stupid, for those who directly and indirectly support such a thing (u), its also immoral as well. And since such govt will infact affect us and not in a good way and since it is our very lives and security that is involved, yes, we infact do have a say in the matter.

but then i suppose from your writings your believe its ok for each govt to do what it wants to its "own people" (its none of anybodies business or at best the UN, sometimes) ...so iran can hang homosexuals, iraq should be allowed to gas/massacre its own kurds, turkey should get the UN seal of approval for its bombing of kurds, russia can actually carpet bomb its own citizens, china can run over protestors using armored personal carriers..and of course NATO (with UN approval) did a real "bang up job" bombing civilians in Lybia so that local tribes can start killing each other for the spoils....and i understand that these are all acceptable in your world view, this is your morality

....and your complaining about Israel stealing land?
wow...you got some set of morals there.