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Miumer

(6 posts)
52. between a rock and a hard place
Sun Aug 3, 2014, 06:02 AM
Aug 2014

I agree that the Gazans and the palestinian people as a whole have a reason to be very skeptical. Israelis already hold all the cards, the war has been won and they have the "right" (or feel they have the right) for their terms because of that, they wont give that up, that would be unreasonable.

I'm just saying that when choosing between two bad options. Aggressions can only make things worse. It prolongs the cycle of violence and lengthens the time by when the concessions will be made and loosening the leash on Palestinians will happen. By peaceful means that will happen, thats the natural course of human development. (again: the black in the US, South Africa etc.).

Also you can look at the Sovietisation process in the USSR of Stalin. First they were oppressing the people and eliminating the potential threat (murder, deportation, arrests etc) and the actual threat to their end goal. (Not saying it was good or anything, they just had a goal and violent means were the only ones to achieve it in their vision) .The terror in turn turn brought about more upheaval among the occupied nations, and that in turn more terror until the local people accepted defeat and aggressive resistance was replaced by passive resistance and the grip started loosening and loosening. They are in a lot of ways totally different situations but the process is the same in a lot of ways.

The process of reconciliation has to start somewhere and keeping up aggressive resistance going will just keep the endless cycle going and going, cause at this point the Israelis will just not bow down to aggressive resistance. In my mind peaceful resistance will have a bigger chance or at least have some chance of making a change in the policies of the Israelis, while aggressive means have no chance.

No, Israel can't afford to live in peace with the Palestinians. DetlefK Jul 2014 #1
Except. Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #20
Except... DetlefK Aug 2014 #34
The odds? Around 100%. Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #44
Not whilst there is a right-wing government......... kayecy Aug 2014 #46
Really? Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #48
Not this one, and you haven't said who would evacuate Arial.... kayecy Aug 2014 #49
There are two sides. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #2
You need to OP it, JD ReRe Jul 2014 #4
I'd probably not get any answers. What I am saying does not JDPriestly Jul 2014 #5
Maybe you're right... ReRe Jul 2014 #8
Had no idea who E.F. Hutton was. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #15
I play the piano too... ReRe Aug 2014 #17
a lot of that is probably persuasive to casual observers... shaayecanaan Jul 2014 #9
This war is about the tunnels that Palestinians dug out from under the border JDPriestly Aug 2014 #14
But 1952 was not the start of this conflict, was it?....... kayecy Aug 2014 #30
The Israelis killed about 500 Arab returnees a year shaayecanaan Aug 2014 #31
Palistinians hold the key to peace?!? whosinpower1 Aug 2014 #12
Look at this list of Palestinian terrorist acts over the years. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #13
As you well know, there are two sides whosinpower1 Aug 2014 #16
Both sides need to work toward peace. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #18
come on now whosinpower1 Aug 2014 #19
And Palestinian pride. JDPriestly Aug 2014 #28
Why do you do that? whosinpower1 Aug 2014 #40
Winners and losers Miumer Aug 2014 #35
"often even genocide is inevitable" Dragonfli Aug 2014 #36
Evil Miumer Aug 2014 #37
I suppose Darfur would be an example of that Dragonfli Aug 2014 #38
Me too Miumer Aug 2014 #41
Thank you for your thoughtful answers Dragonfli Aug 2014 #42
Public opinion has very little effect - sorry to say so whosinpower1 Aug 2014 #43
You are underestimating the Israeli civilians. Miumer Aug 2014 #45
Public opinion wasn't strong enough to..... kayecy Aug 2014 #47
You dont battle agression with purblic opinion while being agressive yourself. Miumer Aug 2014 #50
I agree with you but...... kayecy Aug 2014 #51
between a rock and a hard place Miumer Aug 2014 #52
Backwards. Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #22
Must be embarrassing then whosinpower1 Aug 2014 #25
Well. Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #27
Causality whosinpower1 Aug 2014 #33
could not agree with you more .... Israeli Aug 2014 #58
outstanding Shaktimaan.... Israeli Aug 2014 #56
The only problem I see Aerows Aug 2014 #39
No ann--- Jul 2014 #3
And Israelis feel that that is what the Palestinians want. JDPriestly Jul 2014 #6
But... Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #23
This message was self-deleted by its author ann--- Aug 2014 #53
That's true too. In part. Shaktimaan Aug 2014 #54
you cant be serious !! Israeli Aug 2014 #57
The answer... ReRe Jul 2014 #7
With a cessation of rocket attacks the blockade can be relaxed hack89 Jul 2014 #10
No. But it's not a one-step process, is it? Igel Jul 2014 #11
There will be Palestinian subjugation, which is really Israel's goal, don't you think? ProgressiveMuslim Aug 2014 #21
shalom/salaam ProgressiveMuslim .... Israeli Aug 2014 #24
If the Palestinians laid down their arms azurnoir Aug 2014 #26
Yup .... Israeli Aug 2014 #29
Short answer, yes intaglio Aug 2014 #32
There are some serious misrepresentations in this. aranthus Aug 2014 #55
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