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The Shredder

(46 posts)
4. Except it isn't apartheid.
Thu Jan 1, 2015, 10:37 PM
Jan 2015

Not even close.

It's a myth.

Here are the facts....

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/myths3/MFrights.html#8


MYTH
“Israel’s treatment of Palestinians is similar to the treatment of blacks in old South Africa.”

FACT

Even before the State of Israel was established, Jewish leaders consciously sought to avoid the situation that prevailed in South Africa. As David Ben-Gurion told Palestinian nationalist Musa Alami in 1934:

We do not want to create a situation like that which exists in South Africa, where the whites are the owners and rulers, and the blacks are the workers. If we do not do all kinds of work, easy and hard, skilled and unskilled, if we become merely landlords, then this will not be our homeland. 36


Today, within Israel, Jews are a majority, but the Arab minority are full citizens who enjoy equal rights and are represented in all the branches of government. Arabs are represented in the Knesset, and have served in the Cabinet, high-level foreign ministry posts (e.g., Ambassador to Finland) and on the Supreme Court.

Under the discriminatory policies of old South Africa, skin color determined every aspect of your life from birth until death. Black South Africans could not vote and were not citizens of the country in which they formed the overwhelming majority of the population. Laws dictated where they could live, work, go to school and travel. And, in South Africa, the government killed blacks who protested against its policies. By contrast, Israel allows freedom of movement, assembly and speech. Some of the government’s harshest critics are Israeli Arabs who are members of the Knesset.

“To be sure, there is more de facto separation between Jewish and Arab populations that Israelis should accept,” observed Richard Goldstone, former justice of the South African Constitutional Court. “Much of it is chosen by the communities themselves. Some results from discrimination.” But, he added this is nothing like the situation in South Africa where separation was considered an ideal. “In Israel,” Goldstone added, “equal rights are the law, the aspiration and the ideal; inequities are often successfully challenged in court.”


“The difference between the current Israeli situation and...[old] South Africa is emphasized at a very human level: Jewish and Arab babies are born in the same delivery room, with the same facilities, attended by the same doctors and nurses, with the mothers recovering in adjoining beds in a ward. Two years ago I had major surgery in a Jerusalem hospital: the surgeon was Jewish, the anaesthetist was Arab, the doctors and nurses who looked after me were Jews and Arabs. Jews and Arabs share meals in restaurants and travel on the same trains, buses and taxis, and visit each other’s homes.

Could any of this possibly have happened under apartheid? Of course not.”

— Benjamin Pogrund


The situation of Palestinians in the territories is different. The security requirements of the nation, and a violent insurrection in the territories, forced Israel to impose restrictions on Arab residents of the West Bank and Gaza Strip that are not necessary inside Israel’s pre-1967 borders. Israeli policy is not based on race, but is a result of Palestinian animosity. Palestinians in the territories dispute Israel’s right to exist, whereas blacks did not seek the destruction of South Africa, only the discriminatory regime.

Despite security concerns and the hostile attitude of many Palestinians, more than 40,000 Palestinians from the territories work in Israel every day. And most people are unaware that another 25,000 work in those "obstacles to peace" -- Jewish settlements -- and all Palestinian workers enjoy the same working conditions and rights as Israelis.

Many people discovered these facts for the first time when actress Scarlett Johannson was attacked for being the spokesperson for SodaStream because the company's factory is in Maale Adumim. This city of roughly 40,000 people, which is ten minutes from downtown Jerusalem, is considered a settlement. Palestinian peace negotiators have already agreed the city will remain part of Israel if a Palestinian state is established. More to the point, the company employs hundreds of Palestinians, several of whom spoke out against the call to boycott the company: "Before boycotting, they should think of the workers who are going to suffer," a young SodaStream worker said. He now earns nearly 10 times what he earned before joining SodaStream, which also provides transportation, breakfast and lunch for its employees.

Israel could offer Palestinians in the territories full citizenship, but this would require the annexation of the West Bank and Gaza and the end of the two-state solution.

Despite all their criticism, when asked what governments they admire most, more than 80 percent of Palestinians consistently said Israel because they can see up close the thriving democracy in Israel, and the rights the Arab citizens enjoy there. By contrast, Palestinians place Arab regimes, including their own Palestinian Authority, at the bottom.

In fact, growing numbers of Palestinians in East Jerusalem have been applying for Israeli citizenship and, given the choice, many say they would rather live in Israel than Palestine. A poll of Arabs living in East Jerusalem, for example, found that 35% would choose living in Israel, compared to 30% who preferred to live in a future Palestinian state. Forty percent said they would consider moving to another neighborhood to become a citizen of Israel rather than Palestine and 54% said that if they their neighborhood was part of Israel, they would not move to Palestine.


“There is still one other question arising out of the disaster of nations which remains unsolved to this day, and whose profound tragedy, only a Jew can comprehend. This is the African question. Just call to mind all those terrible episodes of the slave trade, of human beings who, merely because they were black, were stolen like cattle, taken prisoner, captured and sold. Their children grew up in strange lands, the objects of contempt and hostility because their complexions were different. I am not ashamed to say, though I may expose myself to ridicule for saying so, that once I have witnessed the redemption of the Jews, my people, I wish also to assist in the redemption of the Africans.” — Theodor Herzl


Post removed Post removed Jan 2015 #1
AIPAC has had that ear for a long time. Scootaloo Jan 2015 #2
I am hoping this is sarcasm!? BillZBubb Jan 2015 #3
Jew killer lobby? Do tell us what that means. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #6
Except it isn't apartheid. The Shredder Jan 2015 #4
Facts are meaningless to the pro-Hamas faction. Nt hack89 Jan 2015 #5
Yep, they're freedom fighters don't cha know. *puke* grossproffit Jan 2015 #11
The world doesn't believe that bullshit any longer. Israel's hands are far too filthy now. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #7
I did. The Shredder Jan 2015 #8
You offered schlock. The world is turning against Israeli Apartheid. BDS! R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #9
So you have nothing to offer in defense? The Shredder Jan 2015 #10
Israeli apartheid will end one way or another. R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #15
Are you denying that Israel has the right to exist as a state? The Shredder Jan 2015 #17
I'm pointing out Israel's gross human rights abuses R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #18
you do realize that there are seperate laws in the West Bank depending on ones ethnicity? azurnoir Jan 2015 #12
This is not true oberliner Jan 2015 #13
such hair splitting but it changes nothing attempt to justify by any means necessary azurnoir Jan 2015 #14
Hairsplitting? King_David Jan 2015 #16
proves nothing except hairsplitting Palestinian Arabs are governed by one set of laws azurnoir Jan 2015 #19
Proves everything King_David Jan 2015 #22
Yes that the military occupation and its colonial setlers are of one ethnic group azurnoir Jan 2015 #25
Keep justifying apartheid, king? R. Daneel Olivaw Jan 2015 #20
Was a great analogy, the poster didn't seem to know the difference between Cotizenship and Ethnicity King_David Jan 2015 #21
yes I do indeed know the difference shall we go over it again so that perhaps you understand? azurnoir Jan 2015 #23
Recently a Muslim Druze policeman was killed in cold blood by terrorists in Jerusalem King_David Jan 2015 #24
Do you consider East Jerusalem part of the West Bank? unless you do azurnoir Jan 2015 #26
You don't? oberliner Jan 2015 #29
East Jerusalem is a seperate issue it is offcially occupied territory but it is not part of the WB azurnoir Jan 2015 #31
Fascinating oberliner Jan 2015 #33
Do they, are you one of them? azurnoir Jan 2015 #35
Have you ever looked at Wikipedia? oberliner Jan 2015 #37
yes I notice that EJ was noted as being included in land area that is because usually it is not azurnoir Jan 2015 #38
One Rule, Two Legal Systems:..... Israeli Jan 2015 #28
Exactly my point oberliner Jan 2015 #30
except that one group are Palestinian Arabs and the other are nearly 100% Israeli Jews azurnoir Jan 2015 #32
Not true oberliner Jan 2015 #34
How many non-Jewish Israeli's live in the WB not counting East Jerusalem which is not part of the WB azurnoir Jan 2015 #36
Not many oberliner Jan 2015 #39
I've been told right here that Jews are of a single ethnicity more over none are citizens azurnoir Jan 2015 #40
Are you familiar with these terms: Ashkenazi Sephardi Mizrahi? oberliner Jan 2015 #41
of course I am however some present them as sub groups within a single larger group azurnoir Jan 2015 #42
2014 was an eye-opener for me. oldandhappy Jan 2015 #27
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