Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
62. Talk of explosions is not verboten, and never was.
Thu Oct 24, 2013, 12:13 AM
Oct 2013

Talk of EXPLOSIVES has been discounted utterly. There is a difference. You short circuit 100 acres of office equipment x2, plus ancillary damage to surrounding buildings, you tend to have problems at the power substation. The con Edison substation is below WTC7, and is the reason for the three 'yokes' that make up the core frame of the building on the lower levels. Things also go boom in fires, from overpressure, that aren't actually explosives/bombs.

NIST used audio evidence to discount the sort of charges needed to cut a main support, they didn't rule out things going bang for other lesser/different reasons. Nothing about transformers blowing up either. Big boom to a witness, pathetic when considering the force required to cut a beam of a certain size.

I'm sure there is some dust uptake in the damage, but some of the smoke is black, not the prevailing grey of the dust, and the convection/chimney effect through WTC7 is quite obvious. There's plenty of heat in that fire. It is a long span cantilever steel frame. The outcome does not seem suspicious to me.

Your commentary on the 'looking for explanations after' bit rings false for me. There were plenty of updates on the impending doom of that building as the day wore on, and as the kink in the outer walls became visible to inspectors on the ground.

I have a couple questions remaining about the timeline of events of what happened to WTC7, but they are not fatal to the official explanation. First, I want to know where the portside engine of flight 175 went. Starboard went over the post office. Landing gear just barely missed WTC7 and hit 45 Park Place. Where did the port engine go? Where did that 7" thick, 5000rpm titanium javelin go, that makes up the heart of the engine? Seems to me it would have hit WTC7 if it exited the face of WTC2. Second question I have, was there any major electrical damage in the substation prior to, or during the collapse of WTC2/1. Any fires.

That's it. That's all that is unresolved about WTC7 for me.

thanks and k & r! eom wildbilln864 Jul 2013 #1
Interesting.. truebrit71 Jul 2013 #2
LOL, only 30% of people still have questions about 9/11? Big deal. 30% of Americans.... Logical Jul 2013 #3
"That means 70% of Americans think it is full of crap" - no it doesn't ConcernedCanuk Jul 2013 #7
LOL, ok, 30% is a lot. n-t Logical Jul 2013 #8
Yep. It is a lot. Practically 1 in each 3 individuals. n/t ocpagu Jul 2013 #17
LOL, 30% of people believe Cloud Computing involves actual Clouds..... Logical Jul 2013 #19
Only 1% of Americans have PhDs Ace Acme Oct 2013 #53
the k Berlum Jul 2013 #4
According to the engineers that studied WTC 7 cpwm17 Jul 2013 #5
What is the "engineering and scientific community"? ocpagu Jul 2013 #18
A couple – not even close cpwm17 Jul 2013 #47
Right. ocpagu Jul 2013 #48
Not everyone who does any work for the US Government is in on some big conspiracy cpwm17 Jul 2013 #49
One problem is that the computer models show the building folding up like a wet paper bag Ace Acme Oct 2013 #54
"Rethink" Richard Gage's version of 9/11? Why? William Seger Jul 2013 #6
Not only the event of 9/11 damnedifIknow Jul 2013 #9
All the more reason... William Seger Jul 2013 #10
We've never...... Frank_Norris_Lives Jul 2013 #11
Because we've never... William Seger Jul 2013 #12
Actually..... Frank_Norris_Lives Jul 2013 #13
We've never had 767s flying at 500+ mph... William Seger Jul 2013 #14
You're right! Frank_Norris_Lives Jul 2013 #20
Friction. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #23
Undoubtedly there is.... Frank_Norris_Lives Jul 2013 #36
Where else COULD it smoulder? AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #37
Damn, my scoutmaster lied to me.... Frank_Norris_Lives Jul 2013 #41
Your scoutmaster is the reason people will run over a pit full of hot coals with their car AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #43
Fire is hot, water is wet, and other revelations William Seger Jul 2013 #26
As I have sworn.... Frank_Norris_Lives Jul 2013 #35
He clearly made a mistake about that paper, but AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #38
WTF? William Seger Jul 2013 #39
Here's evidence-based... Frank_Norris_Lives Jul 2013 #40
It must be hard to find evidence when you deliberately avoid it William Seger Jul 2013 #42
That's not actually paper anymore. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #44
I've heard that claim, too, but I don't think so William Seger Jul 2013 #45
Oh, that's a good point. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #46
Untrue. AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #16
Back at you bro..... Frank_Norris_Lives Jul 2013 #21
Again, all the steel framed components exposed to fire in Madrid Tower collapsed 3 hours into the AtheistCrusader Jul 2013 #22
Actually, there are no photos of fires in WTC7 until noon, and those fires didn't last Ace Acme Oct 2013 #55
Cite your spectacular high rise fires, building by building. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #57
And even fought by 600 firefighters it was a conflagration and burned all night Ace Acme Oct 2013 #58
You apparently never saw the side of the building facing the main towers. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #59
Yes I saw it, and unlike you I didn't believe the people who lie about it Ace Acme Oct 2013 #60
Talk of explosions is not verboten, and never was. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #62
NIST's discounting of charges was based on the use of RDX, Ace Acme Oct 2013 #64
RDX is a common and widely available explosive, with similar properites to many other explosives. AtheistCrusader Oct 2013 #66
Why would you expect first-class demolitionists to use WWII-era explosives? Ace Acme Oct 2013 #67
damnedifiknow - Just so you're aware... truth2power Jul 2013 #15
There are sites where 9/11 bullshit goes unchallenged William Seger Jul 2013 #24
From your mouth to God's ear, of course. truth2power Jul 2013 #25
You've seen Gage's "scientific" treatment of the issue William Seger Jul 2013 #27
William... truth2power Jul 2013 #31
So much for "honest discussion" William Seger Jul 2013 #33
I used to say that also when people disagreed with me LanternWaste Sep 2013 #51
It's not just about honest disagreement. i'm sure you know that... truth2power Sep 2013 #52
K&R Over the years since 9/11 I've gone from snappyturtle Jul 2013 #28
In other words, you've been propagandized William Seger Jul 2013 #29
Au contraire! THanks for the links...I've been to 3 of the snappyturtle Jul 2013 #30
Thanks, snappyturtle, for not taking the bait. As you said, so succinctly... truth2power Jul 2013 #32
"Take your best shot" = "bait" ? William Seger Jul 2013 #34
Popular Mechanics? Ace Acme Oct 2013 #56
Yes, Popular Mechanics William Seger Oct 2013 #61
They were straw man arguments Ace Acme Oct 2013 #63
Which "legiimate truth movement" is that? William Seger Oct 2013 #65
You've never heard of the 9/11 Truth Statement? You haven't read the Bronner VF article? Ace Acme Oct 2013 #68
HAHAHA!!! n/t Bully Taw Aug 2013 #50
Latest Discussions»Retired Forums»Creative Speculation»The Official Video: ReThi...»Reply #62