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izquierdista

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3. No, you really can blame religion
Sun Feb 5, 2012, 10:50 AM
Feb 2012

What religions ALL have in common is a belief that knowledge is revealed (by a deity or authority figure), not learned by your own efforts. Take the question "why are some people gay?" The religious answer would be to go to the revealed wisdom (in this case Leviticus) where it says that to lie with another man would be an abomination and use that to guide your thinking. The scientific answer only comes after much more questioning and observation: are humans the only species to evidence homosexuality? Is it correlated with race, ethnicity, birth order, astrological sign, diet during the mother's pregnancy, sunspots, background radiation, being left-handed, lack of a father figure? Is there a genetic component? Is there an environmental component? Does it change over time? Can heterosexuals become homosexual and vice versa, or is there a third category that might be designated ambisexual? If it can change, what are the causal factors? What is the evolutionary advantage to homosexuality? Is it contagious? Scientists use math and statistics to quantify the answers to questions like these; religion has no use for mathematics as there is just a right and a wrong, no middle ground.

See, with religion, the answer is known by doctrine and revealed wisdom beforehand, and then what must be done is to fit the world to that view. Science takes the novel approach that ideas should be tailored to fit the world that is observed. I think if you divide your category of "all Jews" into very religious and non-religious, you will find that the former group is the one that is promoting the gay cure crock -- because of what their revealed wisdom tells them to do. And among the latter group, you will find scientists who are actually concerned with finding out what is true. Some of them might even be studying prejudice and how it can be explained.

Once again, anywhere on Earth, these religions want to... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #1
Impressive rant, MarkCharles, a shame it's so misplaced. Kurmudgeon Feb 2012 #2
No, you really can blame religion izquierdista Feb 2012 #3
+1000 Couldn't have said it better! Thanks for helping... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #5
You may, that doesn't mean you should. Prejudice is prejudice, no matter who you are aiming at. Kurmudgeon Feb 2012 #6
Falwell was a 'Levitican'?? izquierdista Feb 2012 #7
And yet, I'm against people like Falwell because I am religious. Kurmudgeon Feb 2012 #28
who are you to decide who is and who is not christian? La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #8
If someone calls themselves LaLionessPriyanka and says/does things you wouldn't, I should judge you? Kurmudgeon Feb 2012 #27
Prejudice against prejudice is a bad thing? MNBrewer Feb 2012 #11
some Christian groups really try to live up to Christ's teachings and not judge people dickthegrouch Feb 2012 #14
If you paint them all the same, it just makes it easier for the wrong to hide. Kurmudgeon Feb 2012 #29
when you understand why it is that you dismiss all the other possible gods, except the one(s) you stockholmer Feb 2012 #26
Wasn't it Jonathan Edwards One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #20
Science has been around longer than the Reformation izquierdista Feb 2012 #22
But it was the start of the end of Calvanism One_Life_To_Give Feb 2012 #23
Nope mojowork_n Feb 2012 #24
mark charles said most and not all La Lioness Priyanka Feb 2012 #9
Thank you, I did, indeed!!! MOST religions, and the largest... MarkCharles Feb 2012 #10
This 'theapy' is common to Christian sects as well, the President and his wife and other Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #15
I reserve the right to comment at a later date. William769 Feb 2012 #4
On all sides... MNBrewer Feb 2012 #12
Oy vey. William769 Feb 2012 #13
Wow. Bluenorthwest Feb 2012 #16
CORRECT Skittles Feb 2012 #17
instead of "curing teh gay" Skittles Feb 2012 #18
hmph chervilant Feb 2012 #19
Completely agree. closeupready Feb 2012 #21
I feel so very sad for what he went through. The Doctor. Feb 2012 #25
Great article. Jamastiene Feb 2012 #30
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