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jimmy the one

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25. Try websters 1828 dictionary, 3ib
Mon Jan 14, 2013, 07:28 AM
Jan 2013

iiibbb posted:.. read the following contexts.. I'll help.. reg·u·late (rgy-lt)
1. To control or direct according to rule, principle, or law.
2. To adjust to a particular specification or requirement: regulate temperature.
3. To adjust (a mechanism) for accurate and proper functioning.
4. To put or maintain in order: regulate one's eating habits.

Then read it as (a) A well "controlled" militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
(b) A well "maintained" militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
or (c) A "properly functioning" militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall...
1) Why would they say a "controlled" militia, and then proceed to say that the right shall not be infringed? Doesn't the second context make more sense... especially since they never meant for there to be a standing army, and that all citizens were expected to act in defense of the country, as well as provide their own arms to do so?


Houston, you have a problem. You post dictionary definitions evidently from a modern site http://www.thefreedictionary.com/regulate

Here's how 'regulate' was defined in 1828 by webster, contemporary to 2ndA 1791:

1828 - regulate REG'ULATE, v.t. 1. To adjust by rule, method or established mode; as, to regulate weights and measures; to regulate the assize of bread; to regulate our moral conduct by the laws of God and of society; to regulate our manners by the customary forms.
2. To put in good order; as, to regulate the disordered state of a nation or its finances.
3. To subject to rules or restrictions; as, to regulate trade; to regulate diet.

http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/word/regulate

In 1828 'regulate' meant either to adjust by rule or method, to put in good order, or to subject to rules or restrictions, or a combo of the three. .. 'control' is not in websters 1828 definitions.
You seem to harp on singling out one particular definition of 'regulate' & trying to apply your own favorite, while disallowing for the others. Boo.

2) Why would they put a clause to govern state militias in the part of the Constitution that was specifically created to enumerate the rights of individuals?

Because it was an individual right to join the militia which could not be infringed, just like the english 'have arms' decree of 1689, which scalia called the foundation of the 2ndA.

Where does it mention guns? safeinOhio Jan 2013 #1
They always leave off the "well regulated" part of that supposed "right," don't they? apocalypsehow Jan 2013 #2
Step one, go look up "regulated"... make sure you look at all of the definitions iiibbb Jan 2013 #17
Are you violently opposed to a well regulated clock? 123 infinity Jan 2013 #41
the whole issue is filled with hypocrasy samsingh Jan 2013 #3
You can find 2A supporters... Bay Boy Jan 2013 #4
Yeah - another example of gun nuts making shit up jpak Jan 2013 #6
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #19
I personally feel that... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #20
So, basically, screw safeinOhio Jan 2013 #39
Regarding... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #40
See even you agree we've gave up too ileus Jan 2013 #5
Nope jpak Jan 2013 #8
Nope or yup? darkangel218 Jan 2013 #13
He's just such an enigma. discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #21
Some "enigmas" are so moldy, theyre better left alone. darkangel218 Jan 2013 #22
moldy... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jan 2013 #29
Whatever you're smoking isn't working the way you probably hoped for there, bub. 123 infinity Jan 2013 #42
Of course it can. The real question is, will it? jmg257 Jan 2013 #7
Only... raidert05 Jan 2013 #9
We are all probably safer because you don't duck hunt jpak Jan 2013 #10
I agree... raidert05 Jan 2013 #11
Somewhat ironically, you are the penultimate example of people who should NOT be allowed to 123 infinity Jan 2013 #43
"you don't deserve" Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #14
If thats how you feel raidert05 Jan 2013 #16
No apology necessary, my friend. Comatose Sphagetti Jan 2013 #36
Where in the First Amendment does it mention not yelling fire in a crowded theater? krispos42 Jan 2013 #12
I agree, government can regulate guns and ammo - all nice and contitutional jpak Jan 2013 #32
Regulating =/= constitutional regulation krispos42 Jan 2013 #33
Post removed Post removed Jan 2013 #44
There are already sylvi Jan 2013 #15
They aren't regualting hunters to control the guns iiibbb Jan 2013 #18
It's gun regulation - gun control jpak Jan 2013 #34
Laws hunters helped write.. iiibbb Jan 2013 #37
do you have a link about the felons thing? gejohnston Jan 2013 #23
Of course he's ranting...he's fucking insane. 123 infinity Jan 2013 #45
Sorry, wrong again. Straw Man Jan 2013 #24
More made-up NRA talking points jpak Jan 2013 #35
Actually, no -- it's a legal fact. Straw Man Jan 2013 #38
Try websters 1828 dictionary, 3ib jimmy the one Jan 2013 #25
I don't see the problem. iiibbb Jan 2013 #27
Duck hunters are allowed to carry sidearms while hunting. ileus Jan 2013 #26
limitation on congress too jimmy the one Jan 2013 #28
Post wherever you want... just don't expect a reply iiibbb Jan 2013 #30
The fact that a right is not absolute does not make it nonexistant. Glaug-Eldare Jan 2013 #31
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