Gun Control & RKBA

Straw Man

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Reply to SecularMotion (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 30, 2014, 08:15 PM

Aug 2014

Last edited Sun Aug 31, 2014, 01:51 AM - Edit history (1)

Are you disputing the fact that states with more gun laws have lower rates of gun deaths?

I'm disputing the statement that they have "fewer" gun deaths. That's what the headers in your OP say.

Whether the difference in rates is significant is another question. The study itself doesn't claim a causal connection.

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45 Facts that challenge the NRA's talking points [View all] SecularMotion Aug 2014 OP

Do you have any thoughts of your own or is this a google dump AGAIN Lurks Often Aug 2014 #1

Do you have any comments on these google dumps? nt. IronGate Aug 2014 #2

would you like to have a nice discussion on your post? Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #3

Now, try this wonderful spinach! Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #25

you are a bad person Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #26

I got my van aligned yesterday! The front end was O.K., too Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #4

FYI Head Hunting going on DonP Aug 2014 #21

#2 takes an existential approach I find perceptive; Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #24

WOW Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #27

question Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #29

Yes they can, IronGate Aug 2014 #32

Thanks Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #33

Our dear Canadians legacy lives on. ileus Sep 2014 #58

Aww, isn't that cute. beevul Aug 2014 #5

That's correct. States with more gun laws have lower rates of gun deaths SecularMotion Aug 2014 #7

Lower rates perhaps, but also the lions share of gun deaths. beevul Aug 2014 #8

They are not incorrect SecularMotion Aug 2014 #10

TWO replies in one of your Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #13

Sorry, they are. Straw Man Aug 2014 #14

That's correct. States with more gun laws have lower rates of gun deaths SecularMotion Aug 2014 #15

Which does not equal a lower raw number. blueridge3210 Aug 2014 #16

Which is not what the headlines you posted say. Straw Man Aug 2014 #17

Are you disputing the fact that states with more gun laws have lower rates of gun deaths? SecularMotion Aug 2014 #18

No. Straw Man Aug 2014 #20

There's a t.v. ad out which has 2 computers next to Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #30

I like those ads Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #34

By what measure? clffrdjk Aug 2014 #36

Are you disputing that your OP says "gun deaths" and not "rates of gun deaths"? n/t krispos42 Aug 2014 #39

Are you disputing that states with more gun laws have far more gun violence than states that don't? beevul Aug 2014 #40

Care to cite your source for those maps and what makes you think they represent Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #35

Here ya go. beevul Aug 2014 #42

So, you'll believe that any map accurately represents what the creators intend for it to represent? Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2014 #55

I believe it accurately contradicts the inferences intended by the use of "rates". beevul Sep 2014 #60

More Google. blueridge3210 Aug 2014 #6

Would you care to discuss your post? Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #9

Number 4 is inaccurate. Jenoch Aug 2014 #11

Oh, we are surely doomed now. An anonymous Facebook post listing assorted lies and distortions. NYC_SKP Aug 2014 #12

Lies, damned lies and statistics. "Gun deaths"? Perhaps but not violent crime. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2014 #19

Where can I find the NRA talking points? Hangingon Aug 2014 #22

I have asked many times Duckhunter935 Aug 2014 #28

Fox News is a good place to start. You'll hear a lot of NRA talking points there. Dark n Stormy Knight Aug 2014 #37

Which of those are not true? beevul Aug 2014 #43

I think most of them are untrue or simplistic and not valid arguments against gun Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2014 #57

Lacking any objective measure... beevul Sep 2014 #61

Looks to be closer than responses to earlier request Hangingon Aug 2014 #45

Yeah, they do consitute NRA talking points. Unless you're going by some definition of talking points Dark n Stormy Knight Sep 2014 #56

45 "facts"....LOL ileus Aug 2014 #23

Shhh, can't discuss the facts about .45s. Eleanors38 Aug 2014 #31

Gun deaths includes gun suicides acalix Aug 2014 #38

Regarding the numbers of "gun deaths", points 1 and 2 in your excerpt... krispos42 Aug 2014 #41

And I love point #4... krispos42 Aug 2014 #44

Request to have this thread pinned SecularMotion Sep 2014 #46

Why? IronGate Sep 2014 #47

You're expecting a reply? blueridge3210 Sep 2014 #48

I would not nt Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #50

No, not at all, IronGate Sep 2014 #51

it would be courteous Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #49

You haven't even posted it in your own forum. Post and Pin it there. DonP Sep 2014 #52

I like that idea nt Duckhunter935 Sep 2014 #53

When... beevul Sep 2014 #54

This facebook post just reinforces our need to continue our civil rights right. ileus Sep 2014 #59