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jimmy the one

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20. california apples, florida oranges
Tue Nov 25, 2014, 01:45 PM
Nov 2014

kioa: 27 states have both higher guns per capita & lower murder rates than California & New Jersey.
It seems your thesis needs some work.

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/murder-rates-nationally-and-state#MRord

You then proceeded to show, by your link, that of the 20 states with higher murder rates in 2013 than California, 16 of them are pro gun states, only Alaska with a small population. Actually only one has stricter gun control, maryland, while Michigan, new mex, & Illinois are about neutral these days, not really pro gun despite having shall issue.

Furthermore, when citing California vs much smaller populated states, you are comparing apples to oranges, since California has several large urbanized cities LA, SF, san diego, Oakland, with large population densities like 20,000 per sq mile, non-existent in many of the smaller progun redstates - apples to oranges.
The best way to compare California, is with only 3 other comparable states, new York, florida, & texas, somewhat conveniently two pro gun, two gun control. 2013 stats:
Florida murder rate. .. 5.0 ... gun ownership rate 24.5% (due in part retirees)
California murder rate 4.6 .... ....................... 21.3
Texas murder rate .... 4.3 ............................. 36
New York murd rate.. 3.3 ...............................18
-- so calif/ny 3.95 avg edges out texas/flor 4.65

It seems your counter-thesis needs work.

It's not just homicides; all crimes are down. Jackpine Radical Nov 2014 #1
Good point about total crime being down! benEzra Nov 2014 #2
a real contributing reason for drop in crime jimmy the one Nov 2014 #3
Your post shows that gun ownership has kioa Nov 2014 #5
repeat jimmy the one Nov 2014 #7
No, gun ownership has been steady since the mid-1990s, while murders decreased 50%. benEzra Nov 2014 #9
BJS & gallup jimmy the one Nov 2014 #17
bjs murder rates stats jimmy the one Nov 2014 #18
Guns per capita vs murder rate. kioa Nov 2014 #19
california apples, florida oranges jimmy the one Nov 2014 #20
Hardly. Both my & your examples show zero correlation between guns per capita & murder rates. kioa Nov 2014 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #22
We weren't supposed to notice that TX has more guns per capita and less murder than CA friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #23
buy a new deck of cards jimmy the one Nov 2014 #24
You are now contradicting what you've been claiming in the other thread friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #25
"I have a sneaking suspicion you're not playing with a full deck of cards. " blueridge3210 Nov 2014 #26
et tu jimmy the one Dec 2014 #27
Um, yeah. blueridge3210 Dec 2014 #28
Oh, really? Did a bunch of guns just disappear? Did they magically vaporize? NYC_SKP Nov 2014 #12
'Tragic canoeing accidents'. AtheistCrusader Nov 2014 #16
How odd, crime is down while firearms sales reached all time highs Lurks Often Nov 2014 #4
such dishonesty jimmy the one Nov 2014 #6
"You are well aware of what I've just posted"-and it's just as true now than it was then friendly_iconoclast Nov 2014 #8
I am struck by decline in handgun homicides. Eleanors38 Nov 2014 #10
50,000 stolen guns a year are more than enough to supply all the criminals with guns..... Logical Nov 2014 #11
a claim of 50,000/year melm00se Nov 2014 #13
What? That is only guns stolen from FFL holders. Not home burglarys, etc. Not sure..... Logical Nov 2014 #14
Here you go, I was wrong, it was 190,000 in 2012....... Logical Nov 2014 #15
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