Gun Control & RKBA

gejohnston

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69. could you have picked better cases?

Thu Feb 23, 2012, 06:26 PM

Feb 2012

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In my considered layperson's opinion, Miller probably didn't decide anything of consequence if anything at all. How else can both sides claim victory while claiming to be "objective"? My question is, why did you choose Presser and Cruiskshank? Besides being made irrelevent, neither are exactly shining examples of social progress. I'll give you Presser as it applied to private armies (in spite of its anti-labor background). Regardless of the gun issue, Cruiskshank was a wet kiss to Jim Crow because if its larger implications.
As Leonard Levy put it "Cruikshank paralyzed the federal government's attempt to protect black citizens by punishing violators of their Civil Rights and, in effect, shaped the Constitution to the advantage of the Ku Klux Klan."

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More on "reasonable" gun laws. [View all] PavePusher Feb 2012 OP

all gun laws are unreasonable. free and open carry from birth to after death nt msongs Feb 2012 #1

WWJPIH? Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #2

Thanks for the gratuitous hyperbole. PavePusher Feb 2012 #3

you know what they say about those ALL and NEVER sentences don't you.... FALSE Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #4

Even you must admit the laws in DC are draconian ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #28

Nah, he won't. TheWraith Feb 2012 #77

They win the right to own guns in court socialindependocrat Feb 2012 #5

I hear Somalia has some gun laws you might like. lastlib Feb 2012 #6

I'll bet I could even shoot in my own back yard!! socialindependocrat Feb 2012 #8

I hear North Korea has some YOU might like. Straw Man Feb 2012 #40

Marvellous sourcing - COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #7

I await a liberal news (or non-batshit-insane) outlet to do their own purchase saga. krispos42 Feb 2012 #9

The third distinct possibility - COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #10

Both D.C. and you seem to be mistaking "regulating" for "obstructing". PavePusher Feb 2012 #13

Don't bet on it. COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #16

"the State has a legitimate interest " beevul Feb 2012 #27

That's an interesting observation COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #45

That's not the issue krispos42 Feb 2012 #31

Do you believe that DC's regulations are reasonable? oneshooter Feb 2012 #33

Just the type of purchaser the law IMO should be careful about licensing. one-eyed fat man Feb 2012 #43

type of purchaser? gejohnston Feb 2012 #78

I guessed you missed the entire saga burf Feb 2012 #11

I don't believe that restrictions on firearm purchase COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #14

Ah, so the Amendments are not equal in weight and standing? PavePusher Feb 2012 #18

Having taught Constititional Law COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #20

Constititional Law ...??? Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #22

At a distingished univirsity, no doubt... friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #32

Shhhppwwwwaaaaahhhh....... PavePusher Feb 2012 #35

Thomas M. Cooley School of Law, Lansing, Michigan COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #65

Appreciate your expertise. DanTex Feb 2012 #75

+1 ellisonz Feb 2012 #90

interesting - Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #88

I was hesitant to go there gejohnston Feb 2012 #89

oh yeah,,, let us do go there... I wondered if that was why you self-deleted. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #91

Yes it was nt gejohnston Feb 2012 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Feb 2012 #76

Excellent. Can you explain to one of the great unwashed..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #30

Yep. US v Cruickshank COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #44

I think we're all typing with our elbows this week. PavePusher Feb 2012 #51

P.S. My apology for the snide tone, you've been nothing but polite and did not deserve that. PavePusher Feb 2012 #52

No problem. Happens to all of us. But thanks. COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #59

Cruikshank also said the 1st (right to assembly) did not apply to the states. gejohnston Feb 2012 #53

Yea, Chicago won the McDonald case. burf Feb 2012 #54

You are correct that the BOR was made applicable COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #60

again, do you believe that DC's lgun laws are reasonable? oneshooter Feb 2012 #61

I personally don't have any problem with COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #62

I have to disagree gejohnston Feb 2012 #68

After waiting from Oct 5th until the 3rd of Feb, burf Feb 2012 #70

So you would agree with using the same process in order to vote. oneshooter Feb 2012 #73

There are regulations and hurdles COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #82

complied with, but not respected gejohnston Feb 2012 #83

This discussion is rapidly reaching the COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #84

If DC was not violating the Second Amendment then why are they arguing how much they burf Feb 2012 #85

Because Heller was about whether COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #86

Then you would agree to the same process in order to vote. oneshooter Feb 2012 #74

You are mistaken. Firearm ownership is COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #81

A certain honors graduate of Harvard Law (& lecturer at the U. of Chicago School of Law) disagrees: friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #93

could you have picked better cases? gejohnston Feb 2012 #69

Try these COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #87

How do they contradict the majority opinion gejohnston Feb 2012 #94

:) discntnt_irny_srcsm Feb 2012 #21

That's not what he said at all. n/t ellisonz Feb 2012 #37

So, the poll taxes and tests required to vote would burf Feb 2012 #23

Did you take the time to evaluate the actual content? PavePusher Feb 2012 #12

Yes, I did. Try reading my answer Reply #14. COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #15

Let me see if I can get this straight. Dr_Scholl Feb 2012 #17

I'm not sure where you got the notion that a exercising a COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #19

Perhaps, as a "Constititional Law" teacher, can you explain this.... PavePusher Feb 2012 #34

I have the distinct gejohnston Feb 2012 #79

They didn't rule that "you can't tax a right". DanTex Feb 2012 #25

+1000 ellisonz Feb 2012 #58

This is actually more comparable to Vote ID laws ProgressiveProfessor Feb 2012 #29

Awesome! Tom Delay's former communications director writing for the WTimes! DanTex Feb 2012 #24

Anything to say about the actual content? We'll wait while you sound out the bigger words.... n/t PavePusher Feb 2012 #36

The content? Some wingnut whining about having register her guns? DanTex Feb 2012 #39

"Whining" seems to be a synonym for "things I can't be arsed to refute" friendly_iconoclast Feb 2012 #41

I think you missed the point gejohnston Feb 2012 #42

There's a leeeeeetle bit more to it than mere "registration"..... PavePusher Feb 2012 #50

Since the Supremes ruled in favor of gun ownership... spin Feb 2012 #26

according to what I read on here, that is the way the good citizens of those cities want it to be. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #38

While many of the citizens in thsoe cities... spin Feb 2012 #55

what slays me about DU is the way -- Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #56

I feel a hell of a lot safer COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #66

And how do you determine that the cops are not also the idiots? oneshooter Feb 2012 #67

I guess you haven't read all the threads in GD about CopHaters, then -- and how they Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2012 #72

I don't know - could it be perhaps because COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #46

wrong guns gejohnston Feb 2012 #47

Check the British laws about simple and straightforward COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #48

since when did UK gejohnston Feb 2012 #49

He seems a little selective about what questions he answers. oneshooter Feb 2012 #57

See my response #61. I think it answers the question. COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #64

I don't pretend (as you do) to know the details of handgun COLGATE4 Feb 2012 #63

Pretending to know something (and being arrogant about it) gejohnston Feb 2012 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author gejohnston Feb 2012 #80