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In reply to the discussion: Oooops! "Police: Customer with concealed carry license kills robber at corner store" [View all]discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,479 posts)24. Definition issue and an answer
Vigilante: any person who takes the law into his or her own hands, as by avenging a crime.
The act of defending one's self or another from the serious harm is not vigilantism.
Does buying a gun and a concealed permit come with the option for extrajudicial murders or the right to stand as the sole arbiter of justice, the judge, jury and executioner?
No, only the jury and executioner roles. Exigency during a crime where death or serious injury is clear and possibly imminent is valid justification for the use of lethal force.
From around 20 years ago:
Dr. Arthur Kellerman: "If youve got to resist, you're chances of being hurt are less the more lethal your weapon. If that were my wife, would I want her to have a .38 Special in her hand? Yeah."
From around 200 years ago:
John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
From around 900 years ago:
Thomas Aquinas: "Without doubt one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one's life, one's goods or one's physical integrity; sometimes, even 'til the aggressor's death In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one's life or one's goods and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act, which is the right of the victim."
From around 1600 years ago:
Augustine of Hippo: "Though defensive violence will always be 'a sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men."
Dr. Arthur Kellerman: "If youve got to resist, you're chances of being hurt are less the more lethal your weapon. If that were my wife, would I want her to have a .38 Special in her hand? Yeah."
From around 200 years ago:
John Adams: "Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense."
From around 900 years ago:
Thomas Aquinas: "Without doubt one is allowed to resist against the unjust aggressor to one's life, one's goods or one's physical integrity; sometimes, even 'til the aggressor's death In fact, this act is aimed at preserving one's life or one's goods and to make the aggressor powerless. Thus, it is a good act, which is the right of the victim."
From around 1600 years ago:
Augustine of Hippo: "Though defensive violence will always be 'a sad necessity' in the eyes of men of principle, it would be still more unfortunate if wrongdoers should dominate just men."
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Oooops! "Police: Customer with concealed carry license kills robber at corner store" [View all]
DonP
Nov 2015
OP
Reginald Gildersleeve (this would be a much bigger story, with the name you gave, I think)
petronius
Nov 2015
#18
I wouldn't. Being forced to go "to the back of the store" is Especially threatening. nt
Eleanors38
Nov 2015
#11
You really need to have a discussion with the 5 families of the women that took your advice...
DonP
Nov 2015
#28
An armed robbery threatens the lives of all the other people. Waiting to see if the person shoots
Waldorf
Nov 2015
#36
If the judicial process was there in the store, this man would not have had to kill.
krispos42
Nov 2015
#39
No, but it is one of only a few crimes where the use of deadly force is justified...
jmg257
Nov 2015
#46
I believe it's referred to as the "Gun Control Reform Activism" Group on DU... nt
branford
Nov 2015
#40