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In reply to the discussion: The Truth about Fast & Furious [View all]gejohnston
(17,502 posts)108. you have no idea how the system works
, on to your strange theories about confidential documents and investigative journalism, your insistence that a piece of investigative journalism should be called an "article" rather than a "report", what you hypothetically think that Cummings would or should have done in your alternate reality universe, and so on.
What strange theories are those? Partisan or not, they have documents to back up their claims. I know how the system works, and the laws governing official documents. Since the article only uses the unofficial term "confidential", I am left to assume they refer to administrative markings like FOUO (or a DoJ equivalent) or is actually classified as CONFIDENTIAL. At the same time, Dodson claims that Eban contacted his ex wife, getting her address from Dodson's personnel record.
In November 2011, Agent Dodson contacted
Congressional investigators to advise them that a reporter named Katherine Eban had contacted
his ex-wife. Ms. Eban was inquiring about the circumstances of Dodsons divorce, apparently
based on information in Agent Dodsons ATF personnel file
If that is true, it was obtained without Dodson's permission, violating the Privacy Act. If someone did that to me in the Air Force, they would be in jail.
Congressional investigators to advise them that a reporter named Katherine Eban had contacted
his ex-wife. Ms. Eban was inquiring about the circumstances of Dodsons divorce, apparently
based on information in Agent Dodsons ATF personnel file
Either way, a felony was committed because both are exempt by FOIA. I have processed for FOIA requests than you. I also spent enough time dealing with and writing such documents, FOUO through SECRET, to know what I am talking about. I find it strange that someone who doesn't seen to know anything on that aspect of government bureaucracy would describe explanations based on actual knowledge as "strange theories". Ask Pvt Manning about those strange theories. What do you think the charges against him actually are? Disclosing classified information to unauthorized persons.
Look up the Privacy Act. It is an article in a magazine. I don't know what Cummings should or should not do, I do know what I would do if I were in his position.
The fact of the matter is that Katherine Eban, for the first time, did a thorough job of interviewing a whole bunch of people associated with F&F, to get a complete and accurate picture of what was going on, and she also obtained a large number of documents, some (but not all) of which she made public.
You can think whatever you want. She only quoted two people, including Voth. She did not make any documents public, she included excerpts from documents that were already public. We only have her word for it. The whole article makes Voth look like Mr. Squared Away Marine and the rest of the crew as a mess that needs to be cleaned up. The whole article actually reminds me of the movie Heartbreak Ridge. It has the same basic plot.
Yes, of course it's possible that she's lying or she got tricked or she's an anti-gun stooge or whatever other unlikely theory that you manage to convince yourself of in order to justify your devotion to Darrell Issa's witch hunt, but like I said over and over again, outside the NRA bubble, you have yet to make a single cogent point.
Pro or anti gun has nothing to do with it. It is a standard whistle blower case. Issa might have decided to turn it into a witch hunt, but I'm talking about Voth. It started with a group of whistle blowers rolling over on Voth's stupidity. Where Issa or anyone else decided to take it is beside the point. If anyone has failed to make a single cogent point, it is you because you have no idea what you are talking about. If name calling is "cogent" by your definition, then I can understand why you didn't make the debate team.Edit history
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So, suddenly Fortune magazine, Corporatist rag, is a reliable news source? Funny how that works.
DonP
Jun 2012
#2
LOL. The gunnies don't like it when actual reporters look into their conspiracy theories!
DanTex
Jun 2012
#4
Argument from authority is now acceptable if you agree with the authority?
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#81
Your understanding of journalism is on a par with your understanding of public safety.
Starboard Tack
Jun 2012
#35
Your understanding of public safety is on par with my cat's understanding of particle physics.
Clames
Jun 2012
#46
How about giving us a shout when FR says anything positive about Obama, ATF, SS, Medicaid, etc.
Hoyt
Jun 2012
#15
It's not "conditional ethics." It's "When even the wingdings can't buy the rightwing bullshit, the
MADem
Jun 2012
#33
It's pretty obvious to most. And it's being handled perfectly -- Obama is throwing it in face of
Hoyt
Jun 2012
#17
Don't have to mention it every time because I have you conditioned to think about the no-good NRA.
Hoyt
Jul 2012
#68
The OP seems to have found your questions inconvenient, as they have gone missing.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#49
If you look up a few posts, you will see that Oneka highlighted this part of the passage in bold
DanTex
Jul 2012
#58
I think, rationally speaking, we have a very good idea why Holder said what he said. IT WAS TRUE.
TPaine7
Jul 2012
#69
I find it interesting that CBS news has also done a series of reports on Fast and Furious ...
spin
Jul 2012
#56
I don't feel that many gun owners would say that allowing firearms to end up in the hands ...
spin
Jul 2012
#64
*That* will be ignored, as it doesn't fit the meme being pushed in the OP.
friendly_iconoclast
Jul 2012
#77
But... but... but... Rhodes Scholar... climate change denial... gun bloggers... right wing
TPaine7
Jul 2012
#78
An opposing view from someone in the House oversight comittee ,long read, but informative.
Oneka
Aug 2012
#83
Your interlocutor relies on the argument from authority, and its flipside the genetic fallacy.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#89
All the better reason for you to detail the factual errors in the linked *.pdf
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#92
Well, then- get busy fisking the document linked in post #83. Point out the errors.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#95
This is hilarious, coming from the guy who didn't think that Darrell Issa authored of the...
DanTex
Aug 2012
#111
You should ask Cummings that question. And ask the US attorneys about the documents and the trials.
DanTex
Aug 2012
#123
You don't address the substance of what's said, but complain about the source? Genetic fallacy...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#101
Theme and variation on "Eban good, Issa bad, those that question it are fools. Take my word on it".
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#106
LOL. You're failing! You won't make the 8th grade team if you can't do better than that!
DanTex
Aug 2012
#107
Not my job. You claim "Issa's" work is bogus, so demonstrate the bogosity.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#110
Not so; I said the defense of her work by citations of her credentials is...
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#115
Without a dump of those "2,000 pages of confidential ATF documents", Eban is cherry-picking.
friendly_iconoclast
Aug 2012
#129