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Gun Control & RKBA

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Glaug-Eldare

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24. I almost agree, but...
Sat Nov 3, 2012, 01:02 PM
Nov 2012

I don't think the Holocaust was the kind of campaign that would've been prevented with individual RKBA. It would've introduced additional risk for the government, but it would not have thwarted them. Domestically, the Nazis selected extremely unpopular minorities that would not have been able to conduct an effective defensive campaign. Successful revolutions and uprisings don't need a rear because they have the people -- they don't need barracks and arsenals, because they have friends everywhere. Slavs, Communists, Jews, homosexuals, gypsies, &c. did not have enough friends in German-occupied land for them to operate this way. It should also be noted that, externally, Germany was successfully engaging foreign states in open and guerrilla warfare. Their neighbors weren't subject to German gun control, but that did very little to prevent them from being occupied and exterminated. On the other hand, I'm not sure what gun control looked like in Poland, Czechoslovakia, France, &c. I welcome any clarification on that.

I believe in an individual right to defense oneself from other people and the state, but I don't think it's accurate to say that gun control enabled the Holocaust -- the Nazis strategy of dividing and conquering was far more powerful.

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Rec +1 holdencaufield Nov 2012 #1
LOL. Is that you, Joe the Plumber? DanTex Nov 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Nov 2012 #4
Yes, and he's also a moron who thinks gun control enabled the holocaust. DanTex Nov 2012 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Nov 2012 #7
Before you call someone a moron ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #10
The flaw in this argument idea that individuals owning guns can resist an organized military... brooklynite Nov 2012 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Nov 2012 #13
People with only a few guns ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #15
Shhh. Don't disrupt a silly statement with facts. n/t shadowrider Nov 2012 #16
I have to believe it's ignorance ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #17
I understand. The problem is shadowrider Nov 2012 #25
That's why I'm here ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #35
It really only works out that way in the fantasies of gun fanatics. DanTex Nov 2012 #26
Your numbers are wrong and your argument is invalid. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #32
Forced disarming didn't cause the Holocaust. discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #3
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Nov 2012 #5
A good choice I say. :) n/t discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #12
Correct ... the stated goal of the Nazis was to exterminate all Jews (not only those in Europe) holdencaufield Nov 2012 #8
It's just a case of... discntnt_irny_srcsm Nov 2012 #14
Historically, completely accurate. Decoy of Fenris Nov 2012 #9
if that's the case then gun owners are holocaust CAUSERS nt msongs Nov 2012 #18
In a yes/no environment... sarisataka Nov 2012 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Nov 2012 #22
IIRC ownership was limited... sarisataka Nov 2012 #36
"When I am armed you cannot use force against me" = nonsense arcane1 Nov 2012 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Nov 2012 #21
When I am armed -- you take a CHANCE when you use force against me holdencaufield Nov 2012 #23
I almost agree, but... Glaug-Eldare Nov 2012 #24
Prevented, no ... I agree ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Nov 2012 #29
Anyone who thinks the RKBAs is there to Overthrow Our Constitutional Goverment fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author rDigital Nov 2012 #31
The guns are there ... holdencaufield Nov 2012 #33
Where in the Constitution Does It Say.... fightthegoodfightnow Nov 2012 #30
That's ridiculous, the gun nuts think the real world is the movie Red Dawn where a half dozen doc03 Nov 2012 #34
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