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intaglio

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7. In this case it is the reinforcement of trust
Thu Nov 28, 2013, 10:19 AM
Nov 2013

and the assumption of authority by leaders on the basis of religious belief and practice. There is no rational reason to trust such figures or to give them such authority, be they rabbi, priest, imam or guru, except to assume that their training (if any) will have weeded out the abusive or that, in the few cases where such mechanisms exist, a superior will act to report and remove the criminal. Unfortunately we know that the training does not do such weeding and, in the religions where there are command structures, those with that responsibility are reluctant to even acknowledge the problem.

There is even a case to be made that religions approve such behaviour. Physical abuse of children is receives the deity's stamp of approval in the Bible, the Koran, the Haddith and the Torah; man/girl rape can be excused in all those texts; man/boy rape is rationalised by the prohibition (biblically) being against man "lying" with man. Add in the layers of customary law that have attached to such faiths and you are left with a hodge-podge where religious leaders can do nearly anything without question or fear of reprisal.

Contrast social workers or the police or medical practitioners or teachers; in all cases not only are there specific management structures but also there are professional bodies, and statutory oversight mechanisms. Even these systems fail at times but there is a far greater chance that the deliberately abusive will be stopped by them before massive damage occurs.

not limited to religious leaders.. pipoman Nov 2013 #1
This post is specifically about one area of the child abuse problem intaglio Nov 2013 #3
In each of the cases I cited pipoman Nov 2013 #8
Please check my post #7 on response to rug intaglio Nov 2013 #10
Also a problem especially for those who are convinced skepticscott Nov 2013 #12
The difference is skepticscott Nov 2013 #6
As stated above.. pipoman Nov 2013 #9
Which does not address my point skepticscott Nov 2013 #11
This is true. rug Nov 2013 #2
Check my reply #3 n/t intaglio Nov 2013 #4
Ok. rug Nov 2013 #5
In this case it is the reinforcement of trust intaglio Nov 2013 #7
+1. It will be interesting to see what kind of a response you get, if at all. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #15
Or maybe I'll just make some indirect commoents about you to another poster. rug Nov 2013 #16
Turkey is fitting. cleanhippie Nov 2013 #21
The case that religious scripture approves child sexual abuse is quite weak. rug Nov 2013 #17
The text with which we are both most familiar is the Bible intaglio Nov 2013 #18
There's no derailment at all. You received a direct response, rug Nov 2013 #19
I have deliberately avoided saying something "unique and peculiar" intaglio Nov 2013 #20
You have, however, implied that there is something about religion that makes it worse than elsewhere rug Nov 2013 #22
No, I have said that those who claim moral superiority intaglio Nov 2013 #24
Do I understand you to say that the incidence of CSA is the same in religions as it outside? rug Nov 2013 #25
I made no claims about incidence or frequency compared to other groups intaglio Nov 2013 #30
I get you. rug Nov 2013 #33
Police seem to do better when their actions are constantly recorded. We ought to adapt that system dimbear Nov 2013 #31
Did you ever hear of a sting tape? rug Nov 2013 #32
I see the value of that, but it's one sided. The constant surveillance works both ways, it dimbear Nov 2013 #34
And yet it's still a HUUUUUGE christian problem. Iggo Nov 2013 #13
I think it is because there is more publicity about the Christian side of things intaglio Nov 2013 #14
Here's how it boils down. Religious folks trust their leaders too much, don't keep tabs on them, dimbear Nov 2013 #23
And why do they trust their leaders too much? skepticscott Nov 2013 #26
No doubt about it. dimbear Nov 2013 #29
No, it's not. Sexual predators, especially the ones who prey on children, Warpy Nov 2013 #27
sorry to say every religion does this DonCoquixote Nov 2013 #28
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