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Voice for Peace

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7. it's a matter of his own heart, nothing to do with people voting.

Thu Nov 28, 2013, 10:50 PM

Nov 2013

Maybe as Pope he will have more opportunity to meet
and listen to the righteous (vs religious) side of these
issues.

This can cause a person to evolve -- an open mind
and heart. All of us have been blind in one way or
another in our lives. Something changed, made us
see or think differently.

Time will tell.

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Sorry, Pope Francis: Reproductive justice and LGBTQ rights are economic issues, too [View all] DonViejo Nov 2013 OP

I think the Pope will evolve on these issues. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #1

He's been hearing from people his whole life, which has already been long skepticscott Nov 2013 #2

I will color you skeptiscott Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #3

Hope to your heart's content skepticscott Nov 2013 #4

I will continue to be hopeful as it's what keeps despair at a far distance. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #5

A lot of the criticism of Pope Francis I read on DU Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #77

Well, it's good you can admit your church's leader is a bigot. trotsky Dec 2013 #102

It's not a democracy. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #6

it's a matter of his own heart, nothing to do with people voting. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #7

Except that the pope has not been blind skepticscott Nov 2013 #11

I have seen impossible changes in people that defied all reason. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #14

I do not know the meaning of the phrase in your context, Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #8

Reproductive Justice lachrymosa Nov 2013 #9

d'oh Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #10

Author is using the pope's words. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #12

Yes I get that... lachrymosa Nov 2013 #22

Natural death can be a horrifying, painful process. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #24

But apparently you'd have no problem with skepticscott Nov 2013 #25

I've seen pictures of those "masses of dividing cells" after the abortion. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #31

I see you've got the Operation Rescue talking points down pat skepticscott Nov 2013 #33

Not going to bite. Sorry. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #47

Oh, please..get off your high horse skepticscott Nov 2013 #52

Then what you are telling me is that the Catholic group is a sham. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #59

You're sounding more and more skepticscott Nov 2013 #61

The problem comes when a religion tries to force it's beliefs on others Marrah_G Dec 2013 #138

"We've decided where we stand on those issues, and don't really give a rat what the RCC teaches." rug Nov 2013 #66

"We've decided where we stand on those issues" Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #78

Yes, there is a "we" here, even though you reject that notion skepticscott Dec 2013 #82

And you have proclaimed yourself to be the sole spokescreature. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #83

If you can show me any site policy that I have personally set skepticscott Dec 2013 #84

You proclaim what the policy is, and brook no oppositions Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #88

Proclaim? Get over yourself skepticscott Dec 2013 #96

You are the one who needs to drop the arrogance Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #98

Next time you go on a whine about double standards, remember this post ^ Rob H. Dec 2013 #113

To be fair, both of these guys have been "timed out" from this group. cbayer Dec 2013 #125

Sure there's a double standard Heddi Dec 2013 #131

Your first paragraph sums it up perfectly Rob H. Dec 2013 #132

Lol. I think there are those who would completely agree with you, but from cbayer Dec 2013 #133

Since you say "the truth lies somewhere in the middle" Rob H. Dec 2013 #134

I think things are left standing in this group by jury decision frequently cbayer Dec 2013 #135

Is accusing someone of advocating genocide a civil or uncivil action, cbayer? trotsky Dec 2013 #136

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #122

Hey FA, your buddy was PPR'ed. trotsky Dec 2013 #137

Your post was alerted. longship Nov 2013 #38

There's certainly nothing wrong skepticscott Nov 2013 #40

That's precisely why I voted to uphold the alert. longship Nov 2013 #41

Thank you. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #46

I appreciate your take although I disagree with your position. longship Nov 2013 #48

So if you accept and agree with ALL of Catholic teaching, with NO picking and choosing skepticscott Nov 2013 #53

In other words... lachrymosa Nov 2013 #55

Nice try, but as stated, not according to me skepticscott Nov 2013 #57

I think I'll wait awhile to do that. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #63

I see you're not as eager to expound skepticscott Nov 2013 #64

Do not do DU a disservice and think skepticscottt is either representative of, or speaks for, DU. rug Nov 2013 #67

+1 cbayer Dec 2013 #85

Why do people keep saying this tripe? Lordquinton Nov 2013 #32

I'm sure you can provide a citation for that assertion. rug Nov 2013 #68

Vatican councel? Lordquinton Nov 2013 #72

The Vatican Council was pastoral. It had no doctrinal formulations. rug Nov 2013 #73

That's not true Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #79

Both were restatements of existing doctrine. rug Dec 2013 #86

Dignitatis Humanae Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #89

It's not worth it? rug Dec 2013 #90

It's not worth arguing about further. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #91

I doubt the former but not the latter. rug Dec 2013 #92

Yeah, yeah, Lordquinton Dec 2013 #139

Muddle post of the week. rug Dec 2013 #140

lachrymosa, do you think a woman should be trusted to make these decisions Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #35

If he does, he owes a SHITLOAD of apologies to the people of Argentina. AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #13

Time will tell, I have no idea. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #15

I wouldn't hold my breath. There's explicit language in the bible that supports his AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #16

I won't hold my breath.. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #17

Without the old testament, jesus is just some guy, that maybe pulled off a AtheistCrusader Nov 2013 #18

I am hopeful. cbayer Nov 2013 #19

thanks for your post.. I was starting to feel guilty about being hopeful Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #20

You are not at all alone and have no reason to feel guilty. cbayer Nov 2013 #21

"Hope deferred makes the heart sick, but a desire fulfilled is a tree of life." rug Nov 2013 #23

Yes, by gosh...a survey makes all the difference! skepticscott Nov 2013 #26

you must be catholic Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #28

Keep trying skepticscott Nov 2013 #30

When I think of being encouraged to feel guilty, that's all I can come up with.. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #34

I can certainly understand skepticscott Nov 2013 #36

most of my leaps of logic are deeply flawed. Voice for Peace Nov 2013 #37

Speaking of flawed logic, you're embracing a ludicrous premise. rug Nov 2013 #39

The Catholic Church has not changed any doctrine. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #44

Exactly skepticscott Nov 2013 #54

You're contradicting yourself. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #56

Sheesh, adjust your sarcasm meter skepticscott Nov 2013 #58

That claim has been made many times and in this thread as well by others. lachrymosa Nov 2013 #60

No, believe me skepticscott Nov 2013 #62

You'd better tell Lordquinton above. rug Nov 2013 #69

No, doctrine has actually been changed. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #80

I am wondering when will his accusers evolve. Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #27

Into what? Homophobe supporters? n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #42

You want the pope to evolve into supporting LGBT but you refise to evolve in ceasing your Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #71

What accusations, I stated a fact, the Pope is a homophobe. n/t Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #74

I think you have perhaps you may have missed something here and without an open mind even if the Thinkingabout Nov 2013 #75

You don't seem to understand cause and effect Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #109

I have a problem with a Homophobic Bigot being a homophobic bigot, if he changed his mind... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #111

Perhaps I am having a problem with a heterphobic bigot who expects everyone to Thinkingabout Dec 2013 #114

Keep it up, you won't be here long with that kind of language, heterophobic? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #115

Bullshit jury result, 3/3 split.. Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #117

You should read the results and learn from them. rug Dec 2013 #118

That many people are DU are homophobes or homophobic enablers? I knew that for years... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #119

Oh, now the jurors are homophobes? rug Dec 2013 #121

This board has a distinct anti-LGBT bias when it comes to criticizing religious leaders... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #123

Right "who am I to judge homosexuals" is a homophobic remark Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #81

Until they form relationships, then their families are an "attack on God"... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #93

You are determined to believe that Pope Francis is a "homophobic bigot" Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #94

I find it illuminating that you say WE atheists are making bigoted remarks... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #95

Thank you for calling essentially the entire Catholic Church bigots N/T Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #99

Not every Catholic holds to that belief, the heirarchy, yes, but every Catholic? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #100

No, I do not Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #101

What is the reason your brother was kicked out of your church? trotsky Dec 2013 #103

No, he was not Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #104

Oh of course he isn't. trotsky Dec 2013 #106

To repeat, you have determined, on nothing more than your own prejudice, Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #107

So you agree that your pope is a bigot. trotsky Dec 2013 #108

A decent man who would reject your brother if he is in a relationship... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #110

So basically, your standard for decency is Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #128

He has openly attacked same sex relationships, using language that is just downright awful... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #129

Do you think context is important, FA? trotsky Dec 2013 #112

I.M.H.O. 2banon Nov 2013 #29

Did you think the same things about Pope Benedict? He has talked about the same themes... Humanist_Activist Nov 2013 #43

Well, I suppose I must have been listening with a jaundiced ear... 2banon Nov 2013 #50

The Catholic Church has embraced economic progressivism for generations... Act_of_Reparation Nov 2013 #45

Curious as to why this time sounds so refreshingly new, then. 2banon Nov 2013 #49

That makes two of us... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #105

And a swooning liberal fanbase... trotsky Dec 2013 #116

Where have I heard the phrase "swooning liberal fanbase" before? rug Dec 2013 #120

hmm. 2banon Dec 2013 #126

Perhaps you could explain why you got that impression... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #127

Good question, I'd have to give that some thought 2banon Dec 2013 #130

I missed understood the forum this news item was in 2banon Nov 2013 #51

Opposing points of view on this pope skepticscott Nov 2013 #65

Thanks, but I think I'll butt out of this one.. 2banon Nov 2013 #70

I agree, all points of view are welcomed. Join in when you've the time. pinto Nov 2013 #76

Please do not mistake volume for authority. cbayer Dec 2013 #87

No intelligent, productive debate welcomes points of view skepticscott Dec 2013 #97

I swear I've read this before. rug Dec 2013 #124