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onpatrol98

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46. If you don't believe in God, why should you care if your next door neighbor does.
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:45 PM
Dec 2013

"Are you just stirring the pot by being deliberately obtuse?"

This contributed nothing to the conversation. I assume it was said for no other purpose than to be rude.

"Or are you really unable to think of a single reason?"

Again, serves no purpose. Apparently said for no other purpose than to be rude.

"Do you really believe that decent people have to wait until it "appears to impact their personal lives"?"

My point was simply to address the notion that somehow religious institutions were unique in claiming authority. I was challenging the notion that someone proclaiming "divine" authority was somehow more egregious than someone simply claiming moral authority.

Now, if you think I'm obtuse for assuming the point of a discussion board is to...discuss, well, that's certainly your right. It's not productive. But, oh well.

I believe part of being liberal, is being tolerant. When people are harmed by religious institutions, we should speak out and try to change things. When our political party does it, we should do it. When a family member does it. When the local garden club does it, we should feel obligated to do it. Otherwise, we're hypocrites, and no one will be listening to us.

But, if you're only motivated to action, when institutions you don't like are doing harm to others, I think your concern is politically motivated. It doesn't mean you should stop. My belief is actually that we should do more.

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In my opinion, the source of this is SheilaT Dec 2013 #1
well said. nt DesertFlower Dec 2013 #2
If all there was to Catholicism was opposition to contraception, pedophilia and so on Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #3
Please don't take this as argumentative, since I SheilaT Dec 2013 #4
I don't want to sound argumentative either Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #8
For me, the complete separation of the church hierarchy from the laity SheilaT Dec 2013 #13
I have tried to steer clear of singling out Catholicism intaglio Dec 2013 #7
I have addressed that point previously on DU Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #9
Yes, you have addressed the pedophillia issue - on DU intaglio Dec 2013 #10
I used to know a bishop fairly well for many years Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #14
The false notion that Donohue is a lone voice skepticscott Dec 2013 #16
The Catholic League CLAIMS to have over 200K members. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #25
Well, let's see skepticscott Dec 2013 #36
No, I don't have any evidence that the Catholic League numbers are inflated Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #48
Gee, did anyone say that Bill Donohue was a "typical" Catholic leader? skepticscott Dec 2013 #52
OK, "typical" was the wrong word Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #53
You have actually had contact with the hierarchy intaglio Dec 2013 #19
What part of "[Bishop Kaffer and I] discussed many of my concerns about the Church" Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #23
What I have said is that past virtues do not fight present evils intaglio Dec 2013 #24
Why do you think that my activism is not ongoing? Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #26
Perhaps you had not noticed, but there is limited time in any day to do things, and to be effective struggle4progress Dec 2013 #5
I am not saying everyone else is blameless intaglio Dec 2013 #6
When I returned to the church, decades ago, as I became more politically active, struggle4progress Dec 2013 #11
You may not learn anything from such sermons intaglio Dec 2013 #12
I, at least, know something about who attends my small church, while you do not struggle4progress Dec 2013 #33
All the moderate and left-wing Christians on this board seem unable to comprehend cbayer Dec 2013 #15
I did not say they did not condemn it on this board intaglio Dec 2013 #17
Actually you said they couldn't even comprehend it, but I won't nitpick. cbayer Dec 2013 #28
That is a broad brush your painting with. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #18
What an I painting with a broad brush? intaglio Dec 2013 #20
or maybe they never get ccoverage. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #21
So start publicising them intaglio Dec 2013 #22
Far too many people are willing to excuse anything that is done in the name of their religion. onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #27
Absolutely true. cbayer Dec 2013 #29
Made far worse when the tribe believes its leaders have a connection to the divine... trotsky Dec 2013 #32
Not me. I treat my clergy like they sre any other person. hrmjustin Dec 2013 #35
Good for you. n/t trotsky Dec 2013 #37
Good on you, Justin, but in many faiths the members just don't have that option. dimbear Dec 2013 #51
But, with the possible exception of political parties, intaglio Dec 2013 #30
Sure each group does... onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #31
But only religion has the feature of claiming to represent divine authority. trotsky Dec 2013 #34
Poppy Cock onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #38
Poppycock origin (from the Dutch): cbayer Dec 2013 #39
What's your opinion, cbayer? trotsky Dec 2013 #41
I had no idea... onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #42
Sure, atheists reject the concept of divine authority. trotsky Dec 2013 #40
Ahh...but wait... onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #43
Is this truly a serious question? skepticscott Dec 2013 #45
If you don't believe in God, why should you care if your next door neighbor does. onpatrol98 Dec 2013 #46
To answer your question: trotsky Dec 2013 #49
Our friend has conspicuously ignored the same point twice skepticscott Dec 2013 #50
Well, he's already received the coveted "Great post!" award, trotsky Dec 2013 #54
Any intelligent person should be aggravated skepticscott Dec 2013 #44
Nice selection bias intaglio Dec 2013 #47
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