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Why atheists should listen to Pope Francis [View all] el_bryanto Dec 2013 OP

Food for thought libodem Dec 2013 #1

This assumes that Atheists have to give as a group in order to be considered generous. searchingforlight Dec 2013 #2

It also assumes that atheists identify with a certain group. I'm sure that there are many, Arkansas Granny Dec 2013 #4

Yep. searchingforlight Dec 2013 #5

Apparently, the author (and others) think that atheists themselves are to blame for the bigotry. trotsky Dec 2013 #29

That's not what he says Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #143

Thank you for providing an example of hatred against atheists. trotsky Dec 2013 #155

In what way whatsoever is my statement showing hatred for atheists. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #160

Take a look Lordquinton Dec 2013 #166

Taffy can't even stretch that much. rug Dec 2013 #170

Trotsky accused ME of "providing an example of hatred against atheists", and said he expected it. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #183

Stop personally attacking people. trotsky Dec 2013 #186

To the extent there is a movement, there is, imo, a failure of leadership within it. cbayer Dec 2013 #3

What drivel edhopper Dec 2013 #6

Did you mean drivel? rug Dec 2013 #7

Yes edhopper Dec 2013 #8

NP rug Dec 2013 #9

What browser are you using? pokerfan Dec 2013 #19

Thanks edhopper Dec 2013 #27

Well they do serve as the public face of Atheism el_bryanto Dec 2013 #10

Many religious individuals simply cannot see atheism as anything else but another religion. trotsky Dec 2013 #11

It's easy to believe a statement Lordquinton Dec 2013 #167

Great post. trotsky Dec 2013 #169

Demographically american atheists tend to be liberal/progressive, educated, cbayer Dec 2013 #20

Opportunities are then being squandered by the other groups mentioned as well, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 #30

"The Pope has changed the perception of the Church in the minds of millions" trotsky Dec 2013 #12

No I think atheists should constantly remind us that Christmas is bullshit el_bryanto Dec 2013 #13

Got a cite for that? trotsky Dec 2013 #15

Did you read the article? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #16

Does the billboard say "Christmas is bullshit"? trotsky Dec 2013 #17

I apologize for my lack of clarity el_bryanto Dec 2013 #18

Do you think it is a requirement to believe in Jesus... trotsky Dec 2013 #22

OK el_bryanto Dec 2013 #23

I think it can be argued, too, trotsky Dec 2013 #25

Stunning. Many of us grew up with a secular christmas that you have just proclaimed null and void. Warren Stupidity Dec 2013 #97

Grew up celebrating a very american secular form of christmas without 'jesus' AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #109

The billboard says "Christmas is bullshit" Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #144

Lots of cultural events are strictly bullshit. Who cares. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #157

So in other words skepticscott Dec 2013 #159

OK, let me SLIGHTLY restate this Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #162

The billboard does not say that skepticscott Dec 2013 #163

IN OTHER WORDS, "Christ in Christmas is bullshit". Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #165

Wrong. trotsky Dec 2013 #168

You are reduced to arguing over quotation marks. rug Dec 2013 #171

Dude, do you even understand what a quote is? skepticscott Dec 2013 #172

Post removed Post removed Dec 2013 #182

Will this do? rug Dec 2013 #24

Truth bothers you, eh? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #100

Another uninformed Salon hitpiece Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #14

The author is a pretty well recognized atheist writer. cbayer Dec 2013 #21

I don't really care who he is Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #26

You may disagree with him, but that doesn't make him wrong. cbayer Dec 2013 #57

Opinions that are contrary to all observed evidence are wrong Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #62

Except he doesn't really say what you says he does. cbayer Dec 2013 #71

There is a huge, giant, gaping hole in the logic you're trying to use to bash atheists, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 #75

Sounds like she's accurate at least as far as one member goes. rug Dec 2013 #80

A "hole" that, alas, trotsy does not mention Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #145

Naw, you're just special. trotsky Dec 2013 #147

I have NEVER "made up a quote" Not once. Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #151

Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. trotsky Dec 2013 #153

Yes, you have made up quotes skepticscott Dec 2013 #158

In both cases I stated the complete and absolute facts Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #164

Too funny. As any honest person reading the article could see skepticscott Dec 2013 #173

Translation of skepticscott's last: "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind is made up" Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #180

And the same argument can be made about any special interest group Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #92

Best post of the thread. well said. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #95

The same argument could be made in some cases and should be made in some. cbayer Dec 2013 #98

Could you be more specific? eqfan592 Dec 2013 #135

You didn't address a single thing A_o_R said, cbayer. trotsky Dec 2013 #149

You say that cbayer's statement Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #146

Uh, no... skepticscott Dec 2013 #161

Formula for success: trotsky Dec 2013 #28

5. If rejected by Salon (as if) skepticscott Dec 2013 #61

True--it's working for self-aggrandizing accommodationist nitwit Alain de Botton Rob H. Dec 2013 #89

Why should I listen to that homophobic bigot? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #31

Yes, apparently by not emulating a homophobic, misogynistic bigot... trotsky Dec 2013 #32

We have people, here on this board, that don't even recognize him as a bigot... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #33

We should just start banning all of those people (like myself) who think there might be el_bryanto Dec 2013 #34

I have a question, did you have the same adulation of Pope Benedict? He and Pope Francis... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #35

Adulation - that's a big word - i think that means I worship Pope Francis el_bryanto Dec 2013 #36

Actually, I think its ignorance, they are treating him like he burst from Zeus's head... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #37

So basically people either agree with your opinion of Pope Francis el_bryanto Dec 2013 #38

Catholicism yes, Catholics no... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #40

If Catholicism is so evil and Catholics support Catholicism . . . el_bryanto Dec 2013 #41

Catholicism is a mixture of superstition, bad ideas(mostly Natural Law) and some halfway decent... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #42

Your description is a mixture of ignorance, bias and personal anecdote. rug Dec 2013 #44

So the Church doesn't lie about the effectiveness of condoms? Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #46

A mixture of superstion, bad ideas and Distributionism tells more about the describer than what rug Dec 2013 #49

"...is a matter of pharmacy not theology." Ok, so we agree this far.... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #51

I will link you to what Catholics have said. rug Dec 2013 #52

The issue is that those uninformed Bishops and other anti-choice advocates... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #55

No, that's simple politics, not theology. rug Dec 2013 #58

The concept of sin ? that's interesting el_bryanto Dec 2013 #45

Yes they would, next question? n/t Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #47

How is that different from a Christian saying "If only all of those Jews could accept Christ el_bryanto Dec 2013 #48

Because I'm not talking about the supernatural beliefs in a general sense... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #50

You left out women being second-class citizens. PassingFair Dec 2013 #53

I thought I covered that with my slamming of the Church's anti-choice and... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #56

Also, just a note on my mother... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #43

You are, without a doubt, being an apologist for a bigot. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #102

Can you explain, why, precisely, you defend a bigot? AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #101

By calling Pope Francis "a homophobic, misogynistic bigot" Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #148

By stating the truth? trotsky Dec 2013 #150

I might well call you a bigot for that statement Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #152

Your pope is a homophobic, misogynistic bigot and that is a fact. trotsky Dec 2013 #154

If a DU user came on and posted as their own what the pope has said Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #174

Just because you don't like religion and you claim that the Pope is "not a progressive" Fortinbras Armstrong Dec 2013 #175

How do you describe the words Tien1985 Dec 2013 #181

Why don't you start posting the Pope's words as your own. Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #184

Well, our friend has already shown skepticscott Dec 2013 #177

And you've called people "arseholes" and "bigots" regularly skepticscott Dec 2013 #178

Yup Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #39

Somebody needs to check a few things Warpy Dec 2013 #54

I love Kiva myself - don't have a lot to donate but it's one of my preferred donations when i do.nt el_bryanto Dec 2013 #59

Also think of the unsung, unorganized giving to secular charities... Humanist_Activist Dec 2013 #60

Habitat for Humanity is a christian org. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #105

That's hardly the worst of it Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #63

Condoms and spread of STDs. Your bigoted homophobic forced-birther and protector of pedophilia idwiyo Dec 2013 #64

He's not my anything, incidentally. nt el_bryanto Dec 2013 #65

You are spending a lot of time defending and promoting a bigot. Why? idwiyo Dec 2013 #66

I think the easiest answer is that I'm a homophobic bigot too. el_bryanto Dec 2013 #67

Well, you could have tried to promote José Nicolás Alessio. An ex-Catholic priest now, idwiyo Dec 2013 #69

Yes - but that's something I would do if I weren't a homophobic bigot, right? el_bryanto Dec 2013 #70

Well, YOU called me an anti-catholic bigot, yet it's me who asks YOU idwiyo Dec 2013 #76

Yep - you are an anti-catholic bigot and I'm a homophobic bigot. el_bryanto Dec 2013 #77

You attached that label to youself. Not sure what you complain about. idwiyo Dec 2013 #78

Why do you keep asking the question when I've answered it? I and (I assume) everybody else el_bryanto Dec 2013 #93

If you insist. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #106

Do you see any evidence that he might represent a change in the RCC? cbayer Dec 2013 #68

No, I don't. This pope is not ignorant. He KNOWS condoms are effective against STDs. idwiyo Dec 2013 #72

I haven't seen him support that and a google search doesn't turn cbayer Dec 2013 #73

Not correcting his predesessor's outright lies is the same as supporting it. idwiyo Dec 2013 #74

I respectfully disagree. cbayer Dec 2013 #79

He is The Pope. There is no one in RCC in a position to contradict him. idwiyo Dec 2013 #81

That's not true. rug Dec 2013 #82

Please, do not change the topic. We were talking about STD prevention. idwiyo Dec 2013 #84

Then stick to it without gratuitous inaccurate references. rug Dec 2013 #87

Pope is a homophobic forced-birther, that's a fact. Unless of cource in the last couple of hours idwiyo Dec 2013 #94

That is the opinion of a one issue, intolerant, biased, antagonistic poster. That's the fact. rug Dec 2013 #96

Thankfully pope and those who adore him do not represent entire RCC. idwiyo Dec 2013 #132

Thankfully you do not represent anyone at all, especially anyone who cares about human rights. rug Dec 2013 #137

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When you tell somebody to stuff it up the hole where it come from, you are making personal attacks. rug Dec 2013 #139

Are you defending this pope despite the fact that he is a bigoted homophobic forced-birther idwiyo Dec 2013 #140

Come on, idwiyo, you can do it. You're twisting and squirming. Let's have an answer. rug Dec 2013 #141

Ah yes, calling out bigotry is in itself bigotry. Thanks for that incredible piece of intellectual AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #108

Calling out bigotry by using bigotry still is bigotry. rug Dec 2013 #115

Because it's bullshit. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #116

Lol, no, of course not. rug Dec 2013 #117

You're free to cite anything contrary that I have said. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #119

I haven't the slightest inclination to sift through your posts. rug Dec 2013 #121

That poster did not engage in catholic bashing. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #123

Bullshit. rug Dec 2013 #125

He attacked the pope and catholic dogma. Not all catholics. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #126

I'm sure that poster would not be one who says Catholics who do not leave the Church are enabling rug Dec 2013 #127

Thank you and you are correct. There are enough Catholics who stand against idwiyo Dec 2013 #133

Sorry sorry! AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #142

Would it not require a change in doctrine? cbayer Dec 2013 #83

The Pope does not need approval. Goblinmonger Dec 2013 #88

(aside) Hi idwiyo, I've never heard anyone at-risk cite Church doctrine in re: condoms. pinto Dec 2013 #85

I have spoken to enough people from various countries in Africa to know idwiyo Dec 2013 #86

I've read about missionary (from a number of faiths) impact on health care in Africa, pro and con pinto Dec 2013 #90

I don't doubt that this is a factor, but it is far from the only thing cbayer Dec 2013 #91

No, it's not the only factor, but one that is easy to eliminate, and it's up to the pope to do so. idwiyo Dec 2013 #131

You're as bad a cbayer in that respect skepticscott Dec 2013 #179

Find another target, skepticscott. I'm not taking the bait. pinto Dec 2013 #185

He could wake up, scratch his ass, walk to the balcony and YELL something about condoms working AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #107

Considering how the rw is apopleptic about his suggestion that poverty is bad, I'd say you're wrong. rug Dec 2013 #110

And you'd be completely, 100%, spectacularly wrong. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #111

58% versus 55%? rug Dec 2013 #112

I know math is hard, but that's a majority within the church itself. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #113

I know words are hard but spectacular means of the nature of a spectacle; impressive or sensational rug Dec 2013 #114

I'm not talking about non-catholics. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #118

Which means that Catholics are not as you describe. rug Dec 2013 #120

Hardly. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #122

I didn't say "NONE". rug Dec 2013 #124

You made a positive claim. AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #128

You said "spectacular". rug Dec 2013 #129

And you said AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #130

You hit the exact reason why so many supporters of this bigot tie themselves into knots idwiyo Dec 2013 #134

Yeah, let me pull up a chair and listen to this scumbag tell me I am doing the devil's work AtheistCrusader Dec 2013 #99

i'm not an atheist. i don't believe in god, but DesertFlower Dec 2013 #103

Sorry you are an Athiest. Alittleliberal Dec 2013 #188

well at least i know what to call myself. DesertFlower Dec 2013 #189

Well phil89 Dec 2013 #104

Oh, listen to the Pope I do... uriel1972 Dec 2013 #136

Trying to pick a fight? snot Dec 2013 #156

Inane and irrational. CJ is an idiot. ChairmanAgnostic Dec 2013 #176

Atheists lack a unifiying belief Bradical79 Dec 2013 #187