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Jim__

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33. What is the source for your claim that the 0.07% includes unaffiliated believers?
Sun Dec 15, 2013, 04:30 PM
Dec 2013

Last edited Sun Dec 15, 2013, 05:05 PM - Edit history (1)

Your claim:

Meanwhile, simple demographics pulled from the US Federal Bureau of Prisons shows atheists, agnostics and unaffiliated believers--who account for 20% of the total population--comprise a paltry 0.07% of the country's incarcerated population.


According to this article (my bolding), based on a report on federal prisons, they do not:

For starters the numbers reported are only of the federal prisoners, about 218,000 people, not of all prisons in America, and they only cover a self-reported religious affiliation or lack thereof by the inmates themselves. Keeping all this in mind, the data showed that 0.07% of the inmates were atheists, 28.7% Protestants, 24% Catholics, 5.5% Muslims, and 3.1% American Indians. In addition 3% of the inmates listed “other” as religious affiliation, and 3.44% were “unknown”. We cannot assume that those who listed “other” or “unknown” have no religious affiliation; they might have religious affiliation and didn’t want to declare it, or they might not. Lastly 17% of the inmates reported no religious preference. We cannot make assumptions as to what this means either, they may be either religious but with no particular church affiliation, may be spiritual, non-spiritual, and they may even be “nones” (atheists/non-religious) as defined by some sociologists.


According to wikipedia, the actual number puts it right in line with the national estimate of unaffiliated:

The majority of Americans (73–80%) identify themselves as Christians and about 15–20% have no religious affiliation.[2][3] According to the American Religious Identification Survey (ARIS) (2008) 76% of the American adult population identified themselves as Christians, with 25% identifying themselves as Catholics, and 51% identifying themselves as Christians spanning some 30 religious groupings.[2][4] The same survey says that other religions (including, for example, Judaism, Buddhism, Islam, and Hinduism) collectively make up about 4% of the adult population, another 15% of the adult population claim no religious affiliation, and 5.2% said they did not know, or they refused to reply.[2] According to a 2012 survey by the Pew forum, 36 percent of Americans state that they attend services nearly every week or more.[5]


Also, your claim:

... simple statistics shows religious people are more likely to commit crimes--or at least get themselves arrested, tried and found guilty of crimes--than are the non-religious.


is not accurate. What the data actually show is that inmates are more likely to self-identify as religious or non-affiliated than as atheists.
Way to score one for your team, cbayer! trotsky Dec 2013 #1
A curious suggestion... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #2
Do they identity as religious once they are arrested and incarcerated or before that? cbayer Dec 2013 #4
So when compared with other countries that are similar in other major socioeconomic factors, trotsky Dec 2013 #7
It is extremely inconsistent Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #9
The United States is atypical okasha Dec 2013 #11
And I say again... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #13
Can you cite a study which shows okasha Dec 2013 #21
Certainly Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #22
You answered a question I didn't ask. okasha Dec 2013 #23
I believe what you're asking was never actually a claim made by the person you're replying to. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #24
O rly? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #32
Okay. Another question. okasha Dec 2013 #34
What is the source for your claim that the 0.07% includes unaffiliated believers? Jim__ Dec 2013 #33
+1 okasha Dec 2013 #35
The inclusion of unaffiliated was my misunderstanding Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #36
"doubly dubious"... heh trotsky Dec 2013 #37
That is essentially what is being alleged... Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #40
First, you're trying to compare apples and oranges without full access to either. Jim__ Dec 2013 #38
No, I'm not Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #39
Yes, you are. Jim__ Dec 2013 #41
No, I'm not Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #42
Racial/ethnic criteria are the basis for the studies conclusion. Jim__ Dec 2013 #43
If you're going to continue stuffing words in my mouth, this is going to get rather pointless Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #44
Don't tell me I'm stuffing words in your mouth. Jim__ Dec 2013 #45
And we're done here Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #46
Louisiana has some of the highest rates of poverty and lowest scores in cbayer Dec 2013 #16
Interestingly, if you look at previous studies published by this David Briggs fellow... trotsky Dec 2013 #17
...his results are internally consistent, so he must be doctoring them? Donald Ian Rankin Dec 2013 #18
Whose results? Act_of_Reparation Dec 2013 #19
I think you need to think through your post a little more. n/t trotsky Dec 2013 #20
Then there is this…. safeinOhio Dec 2013 #3
It's really unclear what any of that means. cbayer Dec 2013 #5
Yep, unclear. safeinOhio Dec 2013 #6
Atheists tend to be more economically privileged. rug Dec 2013 #8
In other words, religion is not the deciding factor. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #25
My own words are fine. Especially compared to a mistatement. rug Dec 2013 #26
You call it a misstatement, then make a statement that says otherwise. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #27
That's because it is. I won't repeat myself. rug Dec 2013 #28
No need to repeat anyway, as the conversation is visible to all. eqfan592 Dec 2013 #29
Oh, I thought this was posted in invisible pixels. rug Dec 2013 #30
Lol, just for you, rug. nt eqfan592 Dec 2013 #31
I wonder if it's specific to religious communities or if strong community ties would suffice. Jim__ Dec 2013 #10
I agree that there are a lot of variables at play here. cbayer Dec 2013 #14
I can think of other ways the data is skewed intaglio Dec 2013 #12
As I said above, there are so many variables at play here. cbayer Dec 2013 #15
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