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In reply to the discussion: Why is the Universe Comprehensible? [View all]Jim__
(14,077 posts)93. The device only exists *NOW* if people are willing to trade color blindness for legal blindness.
Last edited Fri Feb 7, 2014, 02:35 PM - Edit history (1)
The ability to perceive color is NOT DEPENDENT UPON PRECISE SPATIAL CONTROL of the signal/data interpretation. If you look very carefully at my posts, you'll find I made no claims regarding that at all, and your point is meaningless, because since I made no such claim beyond PERCEPTION OF COLOR, it doesn't falsify anything I said at all. Bravo.
OK. If you want to pick nits, here is your original claim:
Colorblind people are capable of discovering light frequencies.
The device you're citing is for blind people, people who remain legally blind after the device is implanted.
From wikipedia:
In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible.
And, from the cited article:
"While high-fidelity color vision is a long way off, some patients with retinal prostheses have so far been able to read large fonts (with visual acuities on the order of 20/1000) and complete daily tasks in ways that they could not before treatment, postdoctoral scholar Dr. James Loudin told Photonics Spectra. The research team hopes to achieve visual acuity better than 20/200 and is focusing its efforts on assessing the visual acuity and contrast sensitivity in vivo, said Dr. Daniel Palanker, an associate professor of ophthalmology at Stanford.
Seidensticker's examples remain untouched.
This is becoming tedious. If you can raise an actual issue in the future, I'll respond. Going round and round in circles arguing that a device that would legally blind a currently legally sighted color blind person is some resolution to color blindness is ridiculous.
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That's not the issue, we can't see the entire electromagnetic spectrum, only a small part of it...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#31
Is a well understood phenomenon, we have been able to measure its strength...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#36
If you are talking about dark matter, I did say there are unknowns, that doesn't mean its..
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#38
I think we agree, except that I would emphasize that we comprehend "up to a point".
eomer
Feb 2014
#45
Gravity is a curvature of spacetime caused by the presence of mass in the Universe...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#55
I see, thanks. But I don't think top relativity scientists think they've explained gravity.
eomer
Feb 2014
#59
Was thinking, from memory, that the double-slit experiment wasn't fully explained.
eomer
Feb 2014
#64
But is that something we can never understand? You are placing limits, artificial ones at that...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#75
You can give a person a meter that tells him a particular object is reflecting light ...
Jim__
Feb 2014
#71
Butterflies can see more colors than we can, by the nature of their eyes.
AtheistCrusader
Feb 2014
#72
My example was of a conversation contrasting 2 colors. You didn't address the conversation at all.
Jim__
Feb 2014
#74
You say, "Not at all," but do you understand that knowing the information that goes into a ...
Jim__
Feb 2014
#84
You can call it anything you want, what you're doing is demonstrating your ignorance.
Jim__
Feb 2014
#89
The device only exists *NOW* if people are willing to trade color blindness for legal blindness.
Jim__
Feb 2014
#93
No doubt our small brains cannot entirely comprehend the full, complex universe
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#14
The classic high-theological style, equivocates between belief and unbelief
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#21
Happy to hear that any initial, possible ambiguity, was subsequently disambiguated.
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#30
"Seidensticker" is a techie, moonlighting in religion; his stuff seems pretty amateurish and quirky
Brettongarcia
Feb 2014
#13
The quote from Bill O'Reilly at the end is what is truly incomprehensible
Fortinbras Armstrong
Feb 2014
#15
Our brains can comprehend the Universe because our brains are part of the Universe.
tridim
Feb 2014
#51
True, but dogs also can't design or build computers and other mental tools...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#76
My response was to post #51. It had to do with what is entailed by being part of the universe.
Jim__
Feb 2014
#78
I would say that a universe conducive to life evolving within it would have to be comprehensible...
Humanist_Activist
Feb 2014
#95