Religion

cbayer

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76. I guess we are going through these memes one at a time.

Thu Feb 27, 2014, 09:51 AM

Feb 2014

Guess what? There are no organizations dedicated to those that don't collect stamps. There are no shelves of books written primarily to discuss the art of not collecting stamps. There are no yearly conferences whose main theme is not collecting stamps. There is no group on DU specifically for those that don't collect stamps.

This is another one of those trite, useless memes that gets thrown out there when it's convenient, but has no actual relationship with atheism.

Your story is uniquely yours. Everyone's story is uniquely theirs. How people got to their current places is as varied as there are people. And I wouldn't for a moment assume that where I find myself now is where I might always be.

For some, atheism is the easy way out. Not believing in something can be very simple. For others, it involved the process you describes. The same goes for believers.

The important thing is to recognize that no one has really found a better answer than anyone else, in general. The key is only to find the one that suits you and let everyone else find theirs.

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We Neglect Religious Education At Our Peril [View all] rug Feb 2014 OP

Hilarious! immoderate Feb 2014 #1

Ignorance is bliss although I've never seen it reduce anyone to rolling around on the floor. rug Feb 2014 #2

"Comparative Mythologies Feral Child Feb 2014 #3

I attribute that to a lack of education in religions. rug Feb 2014 #4

Hence, Feral Child Feb 2014 #12

Religious studies are not a violation of the 1st, cbayer Feb 2014 #7

Thank Yahweh Feral Child Feb 2014 #10

Well, again, your position (if taught in schools) has a much better chance of violating cbayer Feb 2014 #13

I disagree. Feral Child Feb 2014 #17

They were indeed quite specific and they included the two aspects you mention - cbayer Feb 2014 #20

Isn't it a matter of WHAT religion gets taught? stopbush Feb 2014 #27

Of course not, just as I wouldn't expect any history or philosophy class cbayer Feb 2014 #29

Your interpretation of the 1st Amendment Feral Child Feb 2014 #78

Er, no. It's not subjective at all. cbayer Feb 2014 #79

Perhaps it is true Feral Child Feb 2014 #82

I think that's a reasonable approach. cbayer Feb 2014 #84

Glad we can agree. Feral Child Feb 2014 #89

Thank you as well. I hope you will continue to visit this group. cbayer Feb 2014 #92

What exactly is hilarious about it? cbayer Feb 2014 #5

It is as much concern to me, as the decline of buggy-whip usage education. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #46

So I guess you would spend your time weighing in on buggy-whip usage education cbayer Feb 2014 #48

If people legislated for it in various capacities, yes. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #50

Agreed. Beyond mention in a literature class covering fiction, who needs it? stopbush Feb 2014 #6

So you don't see the important role that religion plays in both cbayer Feb 2014 #8

Wars and holocausts are historical facts, as is religion's influence in feeding such things. stopbush Feb 2014 #9

One can not even pretend what is going in the middle east without understanding cbayer Feb 2014 #11

No, I don't believe religion is actual history. stopbush Feb 2014 #18

Why have you studied the bible but not the Qu'aran? cbayer Feb 2014 #21

My study of the Koran is not as deep as my study of the Bible. stopbush Feb 2014 #23

Where did I take you to task for believing that the bible isn't historically accurate? cbayer Feb 2014 #25

This was you in post #11 in this thread: stopbush Feb 2014 #26

That doesn't say that I think the bible is historically accurate. cbayer Feb 2014 #28

I think one of us is having difficultly with the clear meaning of words, and it isn't me. stopbush Feb 2014 #44

Of course it's not you. cbayer Feb 2014 #45

The Four Horsemen disagree and take this issue very seriously. longship Feb 2014 #16

Perhaps I was hasty. I have no problem supporting "comparative religion" classes. immoderate Feb 2014 #22

Of course, the devil is in the details of how it's implemented. longship Feb 2014 #24

Just like Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens, I support this. longship Feb 2014 #14

I entirely agree and would not argue for or support any kind of religion education that included cbayer Feb 2014 #15

That's right. His position is fairly like mine. longship Feb 2014 #19

I think we should educate our children about religion, too. MineralMan Feb 2014 #30

You'll like the last paragraph. rug Feb 2014 #32

I think you know exactly what I mean, and I think I know exactly MineralMan Feb 2014 #33

It said what you said, absent the italics. rug Feb 2014 #34

You know, I preferred discussing the gluten MineralMan Feb 2014 #35

The adjunct was an ass. rug Feb 2014 #36

As are many adjunct professors. MineralMan Feb 2014 #37

That reminds me of the early objections to sex education. rug Feb 2014 #38

OK, Rug. Whatever you say. MineralMan Feb 2014 #40

Teaching religion can be as bias-free, or not, as any other subject, including politics. rug Feb 2014 #41

Politics? Do they have classes on politics in High School. MineralMan Feb 2014 #42

Of course they do. They even have AP classes in it. rug Feb 2014 #43

fundamentalism can't really ever withstand a good dose of theology MisterP Feb 2014 #31

"Allowing religious education to decay does not lead to greater secularism; ..." Jim__ Feb 2014 #39

It's incredibly easy. You start with the rest of mythology. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #47

OMG, an inoculation against a socially transmitted disease. cbayer Feb 2014 #49

Yes, I think it does. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #51

Honestly, do you go around telling religious people IRL that they have a socially transmitted cbayer Feb 2014 #52

Absolutely I've said that to people's faces. Hell yes. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #53

Wow, that's some kind of ugly. cbayer Feb 2014 #54

You'd be surprised. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #55

Oh, yes, I would be very surprised. cbayer Feb 2014 #58

No, I said socially transmitted. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #60

And then you went on to compare your "schooling" of others to sex ed. cbayer Feb 2014 #62

No you didn't. Read it again. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #63

And really, 'that's some kind of ugly' in response to shitheads that tell me I'm going to be torture AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #57

That is also some kind of ugly. So that makes yours ok? cbayer Feb 2014 #59

Sure, it can be ugly when you hold a mirror up to people. Not my problem. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #61

I would suggest that it is very much your problem. cbayer Feb 2014 #64

So, it's not ok for me to verbalize a recognition of how they came to believe what they believe AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #66

It's ok for you to say anything you want. cbayer Feb 2014 #67

I wouldn't get my underwear in a twist over it, or be offended. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #70

Amen! xfundy Feb 2014 #65

People say that repeatedly, but I've never seen anything to back that up. cbayer Feb 2014 #68

Not collecting stamps is a form of stamp collecting. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #74

I guess we are going through these memes one at a time. cbayer Feb 2014 #76

Stamp collectors also don't lobby for laws that specify what I can put in my envelopes or AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #81

Correct, that is why the non-stamp collector analogy doesn't work at all. cbayer Feb 2014 #83

Actually, it works perfectly. You just don't like it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #86

Let's look at it this way. cbayer Feb 2014 #91

I wish you'd get off that nag and ride a real horse for a change. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #93

Excuse me? What is a real horse? cbayer Feb 2014 #94

Not just women. Nice assuption. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #95

I didn't say just women. cbayer Feb 2014 #96

Do you know of any secular organizations that try to limit the number of fertilized embryos an IVF AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #98

Let me be clear (again) cbayer Feb 2014 #99

Oh good grief. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #100

Yes. That was specifically aimed at the oft-cited meme that is repeated without evidence cbayer Feb 2014 #101

People say it, because people report it themselves. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #102

Correlation is not causation and nothing you are presenting here could cbayer Feb 2014 #103

Certainly more study, or broader studies from credible sources are necessary. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #104

Certainly that is true and I would be most interested in the data. cbayer Feb 2014 #105

Here we may have to agree. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #106

Well, we agree! I ilke that. cbayer Feb 2014 #107

I also am one of those rare creatures, a nonbeliever from my earliest days. Nay Feb 2014 #77

I wish I could find some hard data on it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #85

I agree that we are an interesting subset. I'd love to see if it had anything to Nay Feb 2014 #87

I have noticed that as well. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #88

+1 mike_c Feb 2014 #56

If you start with the premise that mythology and religion are the same thing, rug Feb 2014 #69

Greek, norse, and persian mythology were religions. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #71

The Greeks, Northmen and Persians did indeed have religions. rug Feb 2014 #72

I used AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #73

there is a difference: rug still believes the biblical myths are true. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #75

There is a difference: you apparently still believe bullshit. rug Feb 2014 #90

You do not believe in any biblical myths? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #97

I don't believe in any myths. rug Feb 2014 #108

Do you believe in the resurrection myth of jesus? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #109

I don't believe you're so intellectually lacking as to be unable to discuss religious beliefs rug Feb 2014 #110

the distinction is in the mind of the believer, especially one who mistakenly Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #111

Considering your handicap in this discussion, I will. rug Feb 2014 #112

Actually here: Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #113

How many last words do you have to give me, Warren? rug Feb 2014 #114

Overlap between myth and religion in Greece, is HUGE Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #80

Interesting article. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #115

How about "We neglect education at our peril"? Beachwood Feb 2014 #116

Who's "we"? rug Feb 2014 #117