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Brettongarcia

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80. Overlap between myth and religion in Greece, is HUGE
Thu Feb 27, 2014, 10:37 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Thu Feb 27, 2014, 11:11 AM - Edit history (1)

In fact? Could you document a religion in ancient Greece, with no myth in it?

Or an easier question: any myths in that era, that did not have a religious application?

Here's what Wiki says on Myth and Religion:

"Generally, mythology is considered one component or aspect of religion. Religion is the broader term: besides mythological aspects, it includes aspects of ritual, morality, theology, and mystical experience. A given mythology is almost always associated with a certain religion such as Greek mythology with Ancient Greek religion. Disconnected from its religious system, a myth may lose its immediate relevance to the community and evolve—away from sacred importance—into a legend or folktale."

Hilarious! immoderate Feb 2014 #1
Ignorance is bliss although I've never seen it reduce anyone to rolling around on the floor. rug Feb 2014 #2
"Comparative Mythologies Feral Child Feb 2014 #3
I attribute that to a lack of education in religions. rug Feb 2014 #4
Hence, Feral Child Feb 2014 #12
Religious studies are not a violation of the 1st, cbayer Feb 2014 #7
Thank Yahweh Feral Child Feb 2014 #10
Well, again, your position (if taught in schools) has a much better chance of violating cbayer Feb 2014 #13
I disagree. Feral Child Feb 2014 #17
They were indeed quite specific and they included the two aspects you mention - cbayer Feb 2014 #20
Isn't it a matter of WHAT religion gets taught? stopbush Feb 2014 #27
Of course not, just as I wouldn't expect any history or philosophy class cbayer Feb 2014 #29
Your interpretation of the 1st Amendment Feral Child Feb 2014 #78
Er, no. It's not subjective at all. cbayer Feb 2014 #79
Perhaps it is true Feral Child Feb 2014 #82
I think that's a reasonable approach. cbayer Feb 2014 #84
Glad we can agree. Feral Child Feb 2014 #89
Thank you as well. I hope you will continue to visit this group. cbayer Feb 2014 #92
What exactly is hilarious about it? cbayer Feb 2014 #5
It is as much concern to me, as the decline of buggy-whip usage education. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #46
So I guess you would spend your time weighing in on buggy-whip usage education cbayer Feb 2014 #48
If people legislated for it in various capacities, yes. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #50
Agreed. Beyond mention in a literature class covering fiction, who needs it? stopbush Feb 2014 #6
So you don't see the important role that religion plays in both cbayer Feb 2014 #8
Wars and holocausts are historical facts, as is religion's influence in feeding such things. stopbush Feb 2014 #9
One can not even pretend what is going in the middle east without understanding cbayer Feb 2014 #11
No, I don't believe religion is actual history. stopbush Feb 2014 #18
Why have you studied the bible but not the Qu'aran? cbayer Feb 2014 #21
My study of the Koran is not as deep as my study of the Bible. stopbush Feb 2014 #23
Where did I take you to task for believing that the bible isn't historically accurate? cbayer Feb 2014 #25
This was you in post #11 in this thread: stopbush Feb 2014 #26
That doesn't say that I think the bible is historically accurate. cbayer Feb 2014 #28
I think one of us is having difficultly with the clear meaning of words, and it isn't me. stopbush Feb 2014 #44
Of course it's not you. cbayer Feb 2014 #45
The Four Horsemen disagree and take this issue very seriously. longship Feb 2014 #16
Perhaps I was hasty. I have no problem supporting "comparative religion" classes. immoderate Feb 2014 #22
Of course, the devil is in the details of how it's implemented. longship Feb 2014 #24
Just like Dawkins, Dennett, Harris, and Hitchens, I support this. longship Feb 2014 #14
I entirely agree and would not argue for or support any kind of religion education that included cbayer Feb 2014 #15
That's right. His position is fairly like mine. longship Feb 2014 #19
I think we should educate our children about religion, too. MineralMan Feb 2014 #30
You'll like the last paragraph. rug Feb 2014 #32
I think you know exactly what I mean, and I think I know exactly MineralMan Feb 2014 #33
It said what you said, absent the italics. rug Feb 2014 #34
You know, I preferred discussing the gluten MineralMan Feb 2014 #35
The adjunct was an ass. rug Feb 2014 #36
As are many adjunct professors. MineralMan Feb 2014 #37
That reminds me of the early objections to sex education. rug Feb 2014 #38
OK, Rug. Whatever you say. MineralMan Feb 2014 #40
Teaching religion can be as bias-free, or not, as any other subject, including politics. rug Feb 2014 #41
Politics? Do they have classes on politics in High School. MineralMan Feb 2014 #42
Of course they do. They even have AP classes in it. rug Feb 2014 #43
fundamentalism can't really ever withstand a good dose of theology MisterP Feb 2014 #31
"Allowing religious education to decay does not lead to greater secularism; ..." Jim__ Feb 2014 #39
It's incredibly easy. You start with the rest of mythology. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #47
OMG, an inoculation against a socially transmitted disease. cbayer Feb 2014 #49
Yes, I think it does. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #51
Honestly, do you go around telling religious people IRL that they have a socially transmitted cbayer Feb 2014 #52
Absolutely I've said that to people's faces. Hell yes. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #53
Wow, that's some kind of ugly. cbayer Feb 2014 #54
You'd be surprised. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #55
Oh, yes, I would be very surprised. cbayer Feb 2014 #58
No, I said socially transmitted. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #60
And then you went on to compare your "schooling" of others to sex ed. cbayer Feb 2014 #62
No you didn't. Read it again. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #63
And really, 'that's some kind of ugly' in response to shitheads that tell me I'm going to be torture AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #57
That is also some kind of ugly. So that makes yours ok? cbayer Feb 2014 #59
Sure, it can be ugly when you hold a mirror up to people. Not my problem. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #61
I would suggest that it is very much your problem. cbayer Feb 2014 #64
So, it's not ok for me to verbalize a recognition of how they came to believe what they believe AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #66
It's ok for you to say anything you want. cbayer Feb 2014 #67
I wouldn't get my underwear in a twist over it, or be offended. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #70
Amen! xfundy Feb 2014 #65
People say that repeatedly, but I've never seen anything to back that up. cbayer Feb 2014 #68
Not collecting stamps is a form of stamp collecting. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #74
I guess we are going through these memes one at a time. cbayer Feb 2014 #76
Stamp collectors also don't lobby for laws that specify what I can put in my envelopes or AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #81
Correct, that is why the non-stamp collector analogy doesn't work at all. cbayer Feb 2014 #83
Actually, it works perfectly. You just don't like it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #86
Let's look at it this way. cbayer Feb 2014 #91
I wish you'd get off that nag and ride a real horse for a change. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #93
Excuse me? What is a real horse? cbayer Feb 2014 #94
Not just women. Nice assuption. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #95
I didn't say just women. cbayer Feb 2014 #96
Do you know of any secular organizations that try to limit the number of fertilized embryos an IVF AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #98
Let me be clear (again) cbayer Feb 2014 #99
Oh good grief. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #100
Yes. That was specifically aimed at the oft-cited meme that is repeated without evidence cbayer Feb 2014 #101
People say it, because people report it themselves. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #102
Correlation is not causation and nothing you are presenting here could cbayer Feb 2014 #103
Certainly more study, or broader studies from credible sources are necessary. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #104
Certainly that is true and I would be most interested in the data. cbayer Feb 2014 #105
Here we may have to agree. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #106
Well, we agree! I ilke that. cbayer Feb 2014 #107
I also am one of those rare creatures, a nonbeliever from my earliest days. Nay Feb 2014 #77
I wish I could find some hard data on it. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #85
I agree that we are an interesting subset. I'd love to see if it had anything to Nay Feb 2014 #87
I have noticed that as well. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #88
+1 mike_c Feb 2014 #56
If you start with the premise that mythology and religion are the same thing, rug Feb 2014 #69
Greek, norse, and persian mythology were religions. AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #71
The Greeks, Northmen and Persians did indeed have religions. rug Feb 2014 #72
I used AtheistCrusader Feb 2014 #73
there is a difference: rug still believes the biblical myths are true. Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #75
There is a difference: you apparently still believe bullshit. rug Feb 2014 #90
You do not believe in any biblical myths? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #97
I don't believe in any myths. rug Feb 2014 #108
Do you believe in the resurrection myth of jesus? Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #109
I don't believe you're so intellectually lacking as to be unable to discuss religious beliefs rug Feb 2014 #110
the distinction is in the mind of the believer, especially one who mistakenly Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #111
Considering your handicap in this discussion, I will. rug Feb 2014 #112
Actually here: Warren Stupidity Feb 2014 #113
How many last words do you have to give me, Warren? rug Feb 2014 #114
Overlap between myth and religion in Greece, is HUGE Brettongarcia Feb 2014 #80
Interesting article. hrmjustin Feb 2014 #115
How about "We neglect education at our peril"? Beachwood Feb 2014 #116
Who's "we"? rug Feb 2014 #117
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