Religion

Vashta Nerada

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283. Religious people are delusional.

Wed Mar 5, 2014, 12:02 PM

Mar 2014

Last edited Wed Mar 5, 2014, 01:20 PM - Edit history (1)

The only reason religion isn't a mental illness (as it should be) is that religion is culturally acceptable. Schizophrenia wouldn't be a mental illness if it was culturally acceptable to be schizophrenic, right?

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Religious Belief = Mental Illness: A More Venomous Response [View all] cbayer Mar 2014 OP

Lame and idiotic skepticscott Mar 2014 #1

You have an ugly penchant for using mental illnesses as insults. rug Mar 2014 #2

Which is pretty ironic, considering he talks to himself so much of the time Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #368

1000+ on point Mar 2014 #80

And one does not have to be a mental health professional to recognize Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #82

Bigotry it is for sure, but I wouldn't call it "atheistic bigotry" Starboard Tack Mar 2014 #369

Delusions can be religious in nature, but it does not follow that all religious-ness is delusional. yodermon Mar 2014 #298

It's hard to believe that in the 21st century people use mental illness as a perjorative. Jim__ Mar 2014 #3

It's harder to believe they are allowed to post on DU. rug Mar 2014 #4

I agree. Jim__ Mar 2014 #6

One need not be using it as a perjorative skepticscott Mar 2014 #7

Really? As what then? A diagnosis? Jim__ Mar 2014 #20

Sorry, horseshit skepticscott Mar 2014 #21

If you're at work counting how frequently other people wash their hands ... Jim__ Mar 2014 #27

! rug Mar 2014 #28

Is that lameness the best response you could come up with? skepticscott Mar 2014 #31

It is called context. TM99 Mar 2014 #34

Who defines what is mental illness? MellowDem Mar 2014 #36

Belief that defies reality, eh? TM99 Mar 2014 #37

Mental illness is subjective? Dorian Gray Mar 2014 #151

For real! MellowDem Mar 2014 #190

In THAT case, it would be wrong, which is why I qualified my statement skepticscott Mar 2014 #39

You are just throwing out a barage of words TM99 Mar 2014 #41

So you're saying it's NEVER appropriate skepticscott Mar 2014 #69

Again TM99 Mar 2014 #72

Did I or did I not say very clearly that I was NOT talking about "diagnosing" people? skepticscott Mar 2014 #76

You keep moving the goal posts and TM99 Mar 2014 #83

Since you've reached the point skepticscott Mar 2014 #146

Internet bullies are always the same. TM99 Mar 2014 #161

A precise dissection. rug Mar 2014 #175

Exactly. okasha Mar 2014 #348

TM99 Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #44

Why should I provide you with private information TM99 Mar 2014 #47

I understand. I do the same thing. But if you wish to speak as a professional? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #51

Others speak here as professionals in a variety of fields TM99 Mar 2014 #55

Of course. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #58

1000+ on point Mar 2014 #78

Particularly when those people describe themselves as liberal or progressive. cbayer Mar 2014 #9

The Bible itself often warned about false things in religion; including "delusions" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #40

So what? That is not the same thing as calling religious people delusional in general. cbayer Mar 2014 #48

"False Prophets" claimed to speak for God. Can we criticize their religion? The Bible told us to. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #50

What in the world are you talking about? cbayer Mar 2014 #56

My mistake. My scholarly citations on psych bad things in religion, weren't censored. They are here: Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #61

This link just goes to an OP, not to your citations. Who is our resident psychologist 99? cbayer Mar 2014 #63

This message was self-deleted by its author Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #66

Immediately above what? cbayer Mar 2014 #67

Woops! BELOW conversation between me and 99 Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #68

it's only pejorative in the eyes of the receiver, and unnecessarily so.... mike_c Mar 2014 #103

Yes, I know you have. It's almost quaint. cbayer Mar 2014 #105

yeah well-- if it swims and quacks... mike_c Mar 2014 #108

Or it might be a decoy with a hunter behind it. cbayer Mar 2014 #109

I have long held that selective observation that feeds a bias makes the observer appear ridiculous. rug Mar 2014 #125

of course.... mike_c Mar 2014 #136

New word needed Cartoonist Mar 2014 #5

It sounds like you're engaging in special pleading skepticscott Mar 2014 #8

Paging Son of Sam Cartoonist Mar 2014 #22

I would agree that the minds of believers and non-believers function in different ways. cbayer Mar 2014 #11

More of your nonsense skepticscott Mar 2014 #13

As my wonderful late Mom used to say yeoman6987 Mar 2014 #302

If there isn't a god and you live your life as if there is one skepticscott Mar 2014 #303

Thank you for your welcome. Cartoonist Mar 2014 #23

Burden of proof? What proof? cbayer Mar 2014 #24

Faith Cartoonist Mar 2014 #29

Mark Twain - offering one of so many views on religion. cbayer Mar 2014 #45

Yes...as someone who has researched Twain's views on religion for nearly 20 years deutsey Mar 2014 #297

As is often the case for those whose statements are used to make a point. cbayer Mar 2014 #300

It's always worth the time to read Twain, so ... just for grins. Jim__ Mar 2014 #307

That dream is one of my favorite passages of Twain's deutsey Mar 2014 #310

Unfortunately for you skepticscott Mar 2014 #30

And we believers are equally justified in asking for evidence there is NOT a God Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #91

Where have I insisted that there is none? Exactly where? Link to it. skepticscott Mar 2014 #92

OK, you probably have not said it explicitly Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #166

It's good that you admitted right up front skepticscott Mar 2014 #177

Notice the use of "...you BELIEVE there is no god..." cleanhippie Mar 2014 #179

^^^this^^^ malokvale77 Mar 2014 #202

I know that you want to call me a liar, but your slanders are themselves lies. Fortinbras Armstrong Mar 2014 #180

Oh, seriously, you are funny skepticscott Mar 2014 #184

"Because if not, you're not worth my time." rug Mar 2014 #186

So you think there is evidence for the existence of God. Good to know. Leontius Mar 2014 #182

Join the club skepticscott Mar 2014 #183

So you think there is no evidence for the existence of God. Good to know. Leontius Mar 2014 #185

Why are you so afraid to state without equivocation what you think? Leontius Mar 2014 #387

If you can point to skepticscott Mar 2014 #390

Given the chance you disemble and distract you just don't have it in you to be Leontius Mar 2014 #392

You've offered nothing to answer directly skepticscott Mar 2014 #393

Exactly Cartoonist Mar 2014 #117

I don't think we should make laws based on religion at all. cbayer Mar 2014 #118

Yes, you say that all the time skepticscott Mar 2014 #144

Allow me to point out that your logic has just taken a leap off a cliff. rug Mar 2014 #129

Twaddle? Cartoonist Mar 2014 #142

If you define Santa Claus, the definition sets its limits and it disproves itself. rug Mar 2014 #143

Santa Cartoonist Mar 2014 #145

And the Easter Bunny? Do you have an equally bullshit based explanation for that as well? cbayer Mar 2014 #172

Yes Cartoonist Mar 2014 #187

Oh, malarkey. You brought those things up in order to mock cbayer Mar 2014 #189

Mocking Cartoonist Mar 2014 #199

Yes, it is clear that you don't see a difference. cbayer Mar 2014 #206

Nearly all serious historians of Religion accept the Santa/Easter account that you seem to reject Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #210

I don't reject the historical roots of santa or the easter bunny. cbayer Mar 2014 #224

Na. Scholars say "Eostre, or "Estre," (SP?), godess related to spring, may be origin of Easter. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #226

You have apparently missed my entire point. cbayer Mar 2014 #231

Well, how about the apparent historical relation of Eastre to Christ? The Resurrection.... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #233

What is the problem?? Where have I said that I reject that? cbayer Mar 2014 #234

Well, the next step might be to link popular myths too, to these religious forms Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #236

You've taken a completely different train. cbayer Mar 2014 #238

Discovering links between our religion, and other religions, even myths, can be painfully ... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #239

Sorry, this is not about discovering links about anything. cbayer Mar 2014 #240

Check out "Judgement Day" and the "Day of the Lord" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #245

No, thanks. I don't believe any of that and have no interest in reading more about it. cbayer Mar 2014 #247

Didn't you stand up for religious education? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #249

I stood up for religious studies. cbayer Mar 2014 #251

I believe in it as a metaphor: a "day" when suddenly things look different. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #256

We all have days like that, don't we. cbayer Mar 2014 #258

Well, how about a day when we see a much better sense of religion? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #260

It is my sincere hope that people will work together to achieve that. cbayer Mar 2014 #261

No they don't but you would know that if you knew anything about this subject. Leontius Mar 2014 #243

True. okasha Mar 2014 #267

Local Greco-Roman and many other "rebirth" myths existed in the area, long before Paul Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #273

The existence of a goddess named Ostara is not even generally accepted. Leontius Mar 2014 #311

Cf. Ishtar. Which sounds and looks rather like a precursor to either Eostre - and/or Easter Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #318

Wrong again. TM99 Mar 2014 #322

No way is that blog reliable. But what would I know? My PhD is only in the study of culture Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #326

Irrelevant TM99 Mar 2014 #338

Mythography has moved on since the brothers Grimm, 180 years ago. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #362

Linguistics is why. TM99 Mar 2014 #364

Referenced web site is not only source. Even it admits "eggs" and fertility symbols associated with Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #366

Folk etymology is such fun. okasha Mar 2014 #350

And linguistic "borrowing, " "cultural diffusion" from other cultures, never happens? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #363

And oh, my, water is wet. okasha Mar 2014 #370

English has links to very ancient Indo-European and other languages; 2,000 years old and more Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #374

Uhm, no. okasha Mar 2014 #378

The British Isles? Are you sure? Jim__ Mar 2014 #380

Thanks. okasha Mar 2014 #384

Today few people have experience in dozens of exotic languages to fully graph their interrelation Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #382

You can give up the smoke and mirrors act now. okasha Mar 2014 #385

Good advice. I doubt he will take it. Leontius Mar 2014 #386

It's been widely asserted. Possibly there is some good scholarship in German; Germans were the Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #388

Wrong again about the dates of language okasha Mar 2014 #391

Ishtar + Eos = Eostre, Easter, Estrous.Eastern Vernal Equinox, eggs, fertility,rebirth in the spring Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #395

No, again. okasha Mar 2014 #396

I suggest you stop consulting web sites, and consult my scholarly bibliographies Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #397

You have not cited your own credentials, have you? TM99 Mar 2014 #398

I've said I have a PhD in Culture Studies. One credential (given without ID to be sure) Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #400

This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 Mar 2014 #406

I deleted my first reply to you because TM99 Mar 2014 #407

I don't think I'd EQUATE Ishtar with Oestre. Rather it is all part of a far larger synthesis Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #411

Temper, temper. okasha Mar 2014 #410

Who is enormously self-important and smug, and feels adamant judgmentalism is scholarship? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #412

Surely a PhD in cultural studies okasha Mar 2014 #414

Want to spell it out for everyone? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #415

"Everyone" doesn't. need it. okasha Mar 2014 #417

So your libelous insults are clear to everyone. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #418

At the moment, okasha Mar 2014 #420

Denial. And projection. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #422

Please stop you're really embarrassing yourself. Leontius Mar 2014 #423

You're good at summary judgements and name-calling Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #424

My experience in the field has shown me TM99 Mar 2014 #431

Ishtar + Eos = Eostre or Easter is not quite etymology, or equation; but shorthand Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #432

"Ostara" is a alternate, Latinized version okasha Mar 2014 #349

The exsitence of a cult of Eostre/Ostara is still questioned as far as I know. Leontius Mar 2014 #371

Bede is the only written source we have. nt TM99 Mar 2014 #373

The only source on "Eostre." From there, we look to other sources: mythography and linguistics Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #375

See, you started your time here saying that you wanted to voice our opinions about religion, cbayer Mar 2014 #171

Look at your own posts Cartoonist Mar 2014 #188

So are you saying I am without the ability to critically think and are going to advise cbayer Mar 2014 #191

I'm beginning to think I am talking with a child. Cartoonist Mar 2014 #200

Yes, you are talking with a child who can't possibly figure out things you might say, lol. cbayer Mar 2014 #207

I'll try again Cartoonist Mar 2014 #244

You are probably both as you do not limit your negative comments to religion cbayer Mar 2014 #246

Like who? Cartoonist Mar 2014 #252

What makes you think I am religious? cbayer Mar 2014 #254

You still don't get it. Cartoonist Mar 2014 #313

Yes I still don't get it and I am a liar. cbayer Mar 2014 #324

Please put me on ignore. Cartoonist Mar 2014 #356

Nah, I think there may still be hope for you. cbayer Mar 2014 #357

I wish people just argued what they think of religion without saying believers are mentally ill. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #10

It is quite possible for one to make arguments against religion, criticize religion, etc cbayer Mar 2014 #12

I agree. I know plenty of non-believers and only one or two can get that nasty about it. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #14

Before DU, I had never really known any overtly hostile anti-theists. cbayer Mar 2014 #16

Yes DU really was my first real experience with people who were very anti-religion. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #17

Shouldn't we be hostile to an oppressive, harmful institution like religion? phil89 Mar 2014 #84

While we might want to be opposed to oppressive, harmful institutions cbayer Mar 2014 #89

More like the people skepticscott Mar 2014 #15

Then there is the 'bigotry line' EvilAL Mar 2014 #304

What is bigotry according to you? cbayer Mar 2014 #305

If it is directed at people for whatever reason EvilAL Mar 2014 #306

I agree with you, but not seeing the posts for cbayer Mar 2014 #308

I agree that it can in certain instances. EvilAL Mar 2014 #309

Maybe it's a compulsion. rug Mar 2014 #25

Hilarious you are. cbayer Mar 2014 #26

What would be wrong with allowing choice of religion or no religion? Those who argue for or Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #18

Totally agree. cbayer Mar 2014 #19

We already allow that..mostly skepticscott Mar 2014 #32

Yes, my point, it sbould not be a part of either side to call the other names, question their Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #33

Problem is, homosexuality used to be considered an abnormality... MellowDem Mar 2014 #35

Psychology is no more a soft science than medicine. TM99 Mar 2014 #38

Many of whom often said rather negative things on religion Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #42

As my daddy used to say - TM99 Mar 2014 #46

But if much of Psychology says negative things about religion... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #49

Much of psychology says negative things about religion? No, that's not true cbayer Mar 2014 #53

Oh, and now you're presuming to speak skepticscott Mar 2014 #147

Much of psychology does not. TM99 Mar 2014 #57

Your cited APA article begins noting negative professional psych evaluation of religion... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #65

Some not all. TM99 Mar 2014 #73

"Some" psychologists criticize religion, note, does not mean "none" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #74

What counterhypothesis? TM99 Mar 2014 #75

Whose narrative, who frames the question, the rules, is a major matter in my own field (s) Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #77

What are your fields, by the way? cbayer Mar 2014 #79

The thread: is accusing religion (in general?) of psych disorders wrong? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #81

You are conflating too many subjects and ideas. TM99 Mar 2014 #85

There may be however, a Culture Studies basis to suggest that Religion is largely dysfunctional. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #95

Criminally insane? cbayer Mar 2014 #87

The phrase "criminally insane" once had legal standing; it refers to criminals who are also ... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #93

I know what criminally insane is. cbayer Mar 2014 #94

The Bible says that nearly everyone in the world is to be found deceived in its worship (Rev. 13.9). Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #99

By the way, Rev. 13:9 says "Let anyone who has an ear listen:". That's it. cbayer Mar 2014 #97

Woops. Rev. 13.7-8. But how do you read that "ear" statement? What does it say? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #102

Er, those verses say this: cbayer Mar 2014 #104

This is part of the larger picture;"warring" adds to convincing with false arguments/delusions Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #110

I think you may be begining to understand this constant drivel for what it is. Leontius Mar 2014 #119

He starts out relatively understandable but seems to inevitably cbayer Mar 2014 #120

Well I'm no psychologist but I think... Leontius Mar 2014 #128

Bullseye. okasha Mar 2014 #133

I'm having trouble making sense out of this. cbayer Mar 2014 #134

That's precisely why okasha Mar 2014 #140

Your definition, unsurprisingly, is incorrect. rug Mar 2014 #130

Here's the American Psychological Assn quote, linking religion to Mental Illness, AGAIN: Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #212

Good for you. TM99 Mar 2014 #214

Let's look at the exact wording of the APA article a little more closely Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #216

Please give the exact quote where the article says "many psychologists" are condemning religion. Jim__ Mar 2014 #217

The word in THIS article is "some" shrinks link religion to mental illness; other's say 1/4 of them. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #218

In place of an exact quote - just more bullshit. Jim__ Mar 2014 #219

First? This particular article does note SOME psychologists link religion to mental illness Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #221

Still trying to find something to support your statements, eh? Jim__ Mar 2014 #223

I stated MANY times that THIS article is OVERALL, positive on religion. But... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #225

I posted this article TM99 Mar 2014 #228

Please just stop. TM99 Mar 2014 #227

1) "Shrink" is the familiar, affectionate term! :) Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #230

By the numbers: TM99 Mar 2014 #269

He can't, because it doesn't. cbayer Mar 2014 #232

Actually we're not entirely disagreeing; it's just where we put the EMPHASIS Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #235

There is nothing even approaching a consensus. cbayer Mar 2014 #237

Let's allow atheists insults; Psychology articles note bad things in Religion. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #241

Allow atheists insults? What do you mean by that. cbayer Mar 2014 #242

Note the article abstracts that I've included above; they note bad things in religion Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #248

Your link requires a subscription. cbayer Mar 2014 #250

I think everything I've offered is pretty straight, as far as I know; no rhetoric, no lies. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #253

You just make up a lot of stuff. cbayer Mar 2014 #255

Pretty close. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #257

I think we can agree about their being a better kind of Christianity, or cbayer Mar 2014 #259

Seems possible. I emphasize the unexpected scientific side in religion. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #262

While scientists are more likely to be atheists, there are many who are both cbayer Mar 2014 #263

Which, also unsurprisingly, has nothing to do with the legal definition of insanity acquittee. rug Mar 2014 #264

A suggestion which I said "I'm using ... here a bit facetiously." Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #275

How exactly phil89 Mar 2014 #86

Not by the agreed upon definition of TM99 Mar 2014 #88

Since the actual professionals in the field completely disagree with your definition cbayer Mar 2014 #90

Funny that now you seem to think skepticscott Mar 2014 #106

Um, hello? That's why we are called mental health 'professionals.' DeadLetterOffice Mar 2014 #162

I am glad to see another professional TM99 Mar 2014 #164

Try reading my post again skepticscott Mar 2014 #165

OK, let's try another approach. TM99 Mar 2014 #168

Sheesh, read will you? skepticscott Mar 2014 #178

So you have nothing then? TM99 Mar 2014 #203

Ok. DeadLetterOffice Mar 2014 #169

My, such vitriol directed at a person tried in a science. rug Mar 2014 #174

Psychology is a soft science... MellowDem Mar 2014 #135

Do you also consider psychiatry a "soft science"? cbayer Mar 2014 #138

Yes... MellowDem Mar 2014 #148

You are really wrong on this MellowDem (see creationism). cbayer Mar 2014 #170

How am I wrong? MellowDem Mar 2014 #192

So if I look at some cancer cells under a microscope cbayer Mar 2014 #193

Yes, yes, and yes! MellowDem Mar 2014 #195

See, it's not inherently subjective. cbayer Mar 2014 #196

How is it not inherently subjective? MellowDem Mar 2014 #197

Have you taken a look at the DSM lately? cbayer Mar 2014 #205

Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of mental disorders? Let's look at what a standard survey says: Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #215

A "standard survey" is not an uncited cut and paste from wikipedia. cbayer Mar 2014 #229

By your definition of "delusion" skepticscott Mar 2014 #222

Once you have a definition... MellowDem Mar 2014 #266

In general, something become a disorder when it interferes cbayer Mar 2014 #277

If beliefs cause a nation to attack and kill its neighbors, couldn't they be a "delusion"? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #278

A delusion is a fixed belief that persists despite clear cbayer Mar 2014 #279

Here's a quote from a Psychiatric Journal, saying whole religious groups can be delusional Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #282

There is not doubt that religious beliefs can represent pathology, cbayer Mar 2014 #284

Recent data cited here suggests spiritual people experience 3 x more depression in UK Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #377

If you honestly look at the data conceding religiosity and mental health, cbayer Mar 2014 #383

My field, Cultural Studies, regards itself as a paradigm shift, generating new hypotheses Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #389

How many mental illnesses can you name skepticscott Mar 2014 #149

There is quite a bit to address in your reply TM99 Mar 2014 #167

You say... MellowDem Mar 2014 #194

And that's the real point that the skepticscott Mar 2014 #201

Why is it so difficult for you and several others in this thread TM99 Mar 2014 #204

This: trotsky Mar 2014 #208

I am not having any difficulty whatsoever. TM99 Mar 2014 #209

Well with that attitude it's a complete mystery why you are having difficulty communicating. trotsky Mar 2014 #211

Hardly a bogeyman, but a legitimate issue for adults TM99 Mar 2014 #213

Some now suggest elements of even "spiritual" liberal religion correlate to disorders in UK Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #220

I'm staying on topic... MellowDem Mar 2014 #265

Again, not a strawman. TM99 Mar 2014 #268

And now apparently skepticscott Mar 2014 #270

Whatever. TM99 Mar 2014 #271

Which was exactly the point I made above skepticscott Mar 2014 #287

Tiresome TM99 Mar 2014 #291

Yes, I'm accusing you skepticscott Mar 2014 #314

Congratulations. You've progressed from calling DUers deluded to calling DUers hypocrites. rug Mar 2014 #315

Time for an education TM99 Mar 2014 #317

Well, let's see now skepticscott Mar 2014 #347

I am more than confident TM99 Mar 2014 #359

I'm not accepting the word of some psychologists.... MellowDem Mar 2014 #272

So you are still cherry-picking TM99 Mar 2014 #274

TM99: you've misdefined "consensus." Worse, you are using it, using herd rule, as a bludgeon Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #276

You are simply wrong. TM99 Mar 2014 #280

Here, one journal suggests that a whole Religion, say, can be "delusional" Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #281

I just plain does not say that. Period. cbayer Mar 2014 #285

This nuanced article entertains many possibities - including religion as pathology Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #288

Did you actually subscribe and read the whole article? cbayer Mar 2014 #289

What am I cherry-picking? MellowDem Mar 2014 #312

Because it is all subjective TM99 Mar 2014 #316

What if MOST of Psych doesn't see religion as pathology; significant PARTS of it do Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #319

Significant parts DO NOT! TM99 Mar 2014 #321

The author is with the UCLA med school; his article in the Journal of Psychiatric Practice Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #323

You really never seam to fully read nor comprehend the posts you reply to. TM99 Mar 2014 #340

You do not seem to understand anything I wrote Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #342

You may disagree, but I think you are out of line to question this member's credibility. cbayer Mar 2014 #346

nt okasha Mar 2014 #351

I rephrase my objection to - Mr., not Dr.? - 99 Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #360

It would appear that this is a call-out TM99 Mar 2014 #365

No callout; though if you'd like to informally cite your credentials,without specific ID, feel free. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #367

No matter what data I present to you, TM99 Mar 2014 #372

Nothing spelled out in your post contradicts my point.I'll check links later. Agreeing on a "lot"? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #376

Homosexuality was once considered a mental illness, but that was abandoned a long time ago. cbayer Mar 2014 #52

What are the author's credentials in Psychology? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #43

What are yours? cbayer Mar 2014 #54

Looks like we are all mostly amateurs here in Psych; including the author. So.... Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #59

And her point is exactly that - if you do not have the education, training and experience in the cbayer Mar 2014 #60

So she herself doesn't know if what is said about religion, is wrong? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #62

What? She knows it is wrong because nowhere in the professional community cbayer Mar 2014 #64

Note APA citation above; by TM 99 Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #70

What about it? cbayer Mar 2014 #71

I hope this isn't a continuation of your attempt to make delusion and mental illness a synonym. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #96

Oh, its' not. I long ago recognized that some people use the term delusion very loosely cbayer Mar 2014 #101

The term was being used very precisely. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #114

The term is being very precisely by some members here to mean mental illness. cbayer Mar 2014 #116

For consideration.... AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #121

Not bad and it resonates to some extent. In this case, cbayer Mar 2014 #123

one can note the self delusion of religionists without making "a diagnosis...." mike_c Mar 2014 #98

If you are going to use psychiatric terms in a way that denotes psychiatric illness, cbayer Mar 2014 #107

I think we might finally have found a point of agreement.... mike_c Mar 2014 #111

Yes, that's right, mike. Religionists are just like people with brain tumors or diabetes. cbayer Mar 2014 #112

How about "visions"? "Voices" from nowhere? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #320

Most religious people do not have actual visions or voices. cbayer Mar 2014 #325

Do you have any data or statistics to support that? trotsky Mar 2014 #328

The major religious texts claimed visions, voices. The Church claims them. Mentally ill people too. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #334

Modern liberal christians "claim" visions and voices? cbayer Mar 2014 #335

I was raised a modern, liberal Christian. But? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #339

Like I said, I don't think liberal, modern christians embrace voices and visions. cbayer Mar 2014 #341

I accept it might be partially good, to partially accept Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #343

One can accept parts of things without endorsing the whole. cbayer Mar 2014 #345

I think your pronouncements of what liberal, modern Christians do or do not believe... trotsky Mar 2014 #344

Interesting discussion, some of it beyond my educational pay grade, but suffice it to say pinto Mar 2014 #100

We are now moving beyond saying religious people are psychiatrically ill to saying cbayer Mar 2014 #113

Better call Animal Control, too. (Post 95) okasha Mar 2014 #137

Damn you, okasha! Now I had to go and read that yet another time cbayer Mar 2014 #139

Me, too. okasha Mar 2014 #141

It's an ugly slur used by hateful people. NaturalHigh Mar 2014 #115

I think the author demonstrates that it is not an either-or choice goldent Mar 2014 #122

Good point. Despite no scientific evidence to support them, there are still cbayer Mar 2014 #124

I love it! hrmjustin Mar 2014 #126

It's so ironic. cbayer Mar 2014 #127

I see a lot of conflation here Warpy Mar 2014 #131

I think zealotry is a good place to draw a line. cbayer Mar 2014 #132

I agree with you completely that humans are hard-wired for religious delusions.... mike_c Mar 2014 #152

Perhaps it has escaped you okasha Mar 2014 #155

of course.... mike_c Mar 2014 #157

This is always an entertaining debate el_bryanto Mar 2014 #150

you've raised an excellent point.... mike_c Mar 2014 #153

So anyone who genuinely believes - like myself - is not entirely sane. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #154

I didn't say anyone was necessarily pretending... mike_c Mar 2014 #156

Why would you leave it to me to decide if it's sane or not? el_bryanto Mar 2014 #158

oddly, I simply believe that I need to be less of a jerk.... mike_c Mar 2014 #159

I prefer it to be personal el_bryanto Mar 2014 #160

There were millions of Southerners okasha Mar 2014 #163

You really want to be less of a jerk? cbayer Mar 2014 #173

Score one for cbayer and her team! trotsky Mar 2014 #181

well at least she (inadvertently) indicated that "mentally ill" and "delusional" are not the same. Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #198

Well, it's good to know that we are focusing on the real problem - rude atheists. trotsky Mar 2014 #176

Religious people are delusional. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #283

Oh, horse shit. cbayer Mar 2014 #286

Nice counter argument. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #290

It's really all it deserved. cbayer Mar 2014 #292

Uh huh. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #293

People pray all over the earth and the vast majority of them are cbayer Mar 2014 #294

Yeah, and what if I told you I talk to an imaginary pink elephant many times a day? Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #295

Don't need hints from you, thanks. cbayer Mar 2014 #296

And here comes the "bigotry" word. Vashta Nerada Mar 2014 #299

Not an illness. Deep13 Mar 2014 #301

Yes, anything that is explicable by culture alone is not a mental illness Distant Quasar Mar 2014 #353

schizoprenia is a mental illness. Deep13 Mar 2014 #358

So after 325 posts have we decided if we are mentally ill? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #327

Yes, some of the completely unqualified individuals who post in this cbayer Mar 2014 #329

I have to say while I found some of the responses insulting, I also hrmjustin Mar 2014 #330

What is amusing is that some of the positions taken here more closely fit the cbayer Mar 2014 #332

Good points. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #333

While there are some areas of Mexico that celebrate Shrove Tuesday, I am cbayer Mar 2014 #336

It was great! I don't get it often so I was happy to have it. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #337

If you could point to even one post out of hundreds skepticscott Mar 2014 #379

IMO, a "religious belief" is a personal notion, i.e. an assumed, subjective opinion and as such, ladjf Mar 2014 #331

It isn't mental illness. It may be intellectual lazines or deep-seeded insecurity issues BlueStreak Mar 2014 #352

Using "mentally ill" as a pejorative also exploits the stigma of mental illness Distant Quasar Mar 2014 #354

Welcome to religion, Distant Quasar. cbayer Mar 2014 #355

There'a another view above though: cf. the "criminally insane" were once held responsible, culpable Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #361

A more venomous response to this shit article... MellowDem Mar 2014 #381

CONCLUSION: "All" religion CAN be a "delusion" (Pierre, Jour. Psych. Prac., 2001). Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #394

YOUR conclusion, ONLY! TM99 Mar 2014 #399

Let's parse this. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #401

You really didn't read the full pdf did you? TM99 Mar 2014 #402

I'm reading it. Lets look at your own article, again. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #403

Your field does not apply science to religion. TM99 Mar 2014 #405

In general, my field does not apply much science. But I do Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #408

Much of the Internet is just a play field for verbal agression by people who want to be bullies Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #409

Yeah - that's why people post things "Religion Kills Yet Another Child." el_bryanto Mar 2014 #443

That phrase would be merely incendiary - if it wasn't simply true Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #446

? What? Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #404

No, that's not what she's saying. Jim__ Mar 2014 #413

"Raising rational criticisms will probably be far more productive than childish name-calling." Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #416

Lobbing “mental illness” as a pejorative is both ugly and unnecessary. Jim__ Mar 2014 #419

"Rational criticism has been fairly successful in keeping creationism out of the science classroom" Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #421

It was rational criticism okasha Mar 2014 #425

LOL! Right. People who are utterly illogical listened to logic. Right. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #426

The campaigns and vote totals okasha Mar 2014 #427

So, people who are ignorant and illogical were simply swooning at logic? lol Not. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #428

Let's be clear about this. okasha Mar 2014 #429

I'm saying that if it's got laws that reflect illiteracy, it's got a preponderance of illiterates.nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #430

Good grief. Did you read the post at all? okasha Mar 2014 #433

I think Creationists are a slew of illiterates. Having debates with them is pointless. nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #434

Irrelevant. okasha Mar 2014 #435

Surely you refer to your train of thought, no? nt Sarah Ibarruri Mar 2014 #436

No, I refer to every one of your responses, okasha Mar 2014 #437

Here's another psychological article noting "delusion" in religion. Causing murders: Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #438

So how would you deal with this? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #439

You suggest that religious murders are based on psychological illness; but psychologists themselves Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #445

Well I never mrt anyone suffering from this. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #448

I've never met anyone who has bought "The Bodyguard" soundtrack... Act_of_Reparation Mar 2014 #449

Ok but my question becomes what is the solution to this issue? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #450

The claim is untrue and not worth arguing, imo. cbayer Mar 2014 #452

I know but I want to know what they think the cure is? hrmjustin Mar 2014 #453

There is no answer to a question about a false piece of information. cbayer Mar 2014 #455

Your right. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #456

De-programming. Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #458

Lol. Ok, let's put all psychiatric patients who have any kind of religious symptoms in camps cbayer Mar 2014 #461

Thank you for answering. hrmjustin Mar 2014 #462

In addition to addressing delusions, analysis would focus on deeper issues that motivated them Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #463

It doesn't note that religion is inextricably intermixed with mental delusion. cbayer Mar 2014 #440

The secret to the Bible is that its language is open to two readings: one is negative about holy men Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #441

The professional article just quoted here does not assign causal priority to mental illness Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #459

I already debunked that article and showed you how it doesn't say what cbayer Mar 2014 #460

For those NOT encumbered Feral Child Mar 2014 #442

SUM Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #444

Thoughtful post. Feral Child Mar 2014 #447

Post removed Post removed Mar 2014 #451

Excuse me? cbayer Mar 2014 #454

So what is the bottom line on the phrase "RELIGIOUS DELUSIONS"? Brettongarcia Mar 2014 #464

Yes - it's totally insane to post about religion in the religion forum of DU. el_bryanto Mar 2014 #457