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49. The date for Easter is derived from the date for Passover, which is tied to the beginning of spring,

Sun Apr 20, 2014, 04:19 PM

Apr 2014

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which itself was traditionally determined by a combination of several indicators, including the first sliver of new moon after the vernal equinox, and other indicators of spring (such as barley ripening). Unlike the (almost) solar Julian calendar, the Jewish calendar incorporates lunar features, so requires more interpolation than a leap day here and there, which is why the moon was not used entirely alone. Passover is approximately the first full moon after the vernal equinox, tying together a lunar calendar to the beginning of spring. The recipe for Easter (approximately "first Sunday after first full moon on or after vernal equinox&quot clearly shows its Passover roots. The matter is slightly complicated by the fact that computational conventions gloss over various astronomical irregularities

Here are the dates for the next decade, showing that Easter is usually just a few days after Passover:

year: Gregorian Easter -- Passover
2014: 20 April -- 15 April
2015: 5 April -- 4 April
2016: 27 March -- 23 April
2017: 16 April -- 11 April
2018: 1 April -- 31 March
2019: 21 April -- 20 April
2020: 12 April -- 9 April
2021: 4 April -- 28 March
2022: 17 April -- 16 April
2023: 9 April -- 6 April
2024: 31 March -- 23 April

ON EDIT: What's going on in 2024? Well, the vernal equinox that year is 20 March. The next full moon on or after the vernal equinox is Monday 25 March, so Easter is the following Sunday 31 March. But the first sliver of a new moon after the vernal equinox is around 9 April and passover starts fourteen days after that

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An interesting graphic about Easter (Dial-up warning large) [View all] intaglio Apr 2014 OP

It was certainly clear by the middle of the 2nd century that distinct and conflicting traditions struggle4progress Apr 2014 #1

You are aware of the conflicts intaglio Apr 2014 #2

Anyone who has actually read the texts in the last 1900 years is aware of the conflicts. struggle4progress Apr 2014 #3

I will now have to spend a long post pointing out the utter deception included in your words. intaglio Apr 2014 #4

And BOOM goes the dynamite! cleanhippie Apr 2014 #5

Sigh, rug Apr 2014 #6

What do you mean by countless? intaglio Apr 2014 #7

Here: rug Apr 2014 #8

OH FFS, please take your fake outrage to someone who cares about your views intaglio Apr 2014 #9

What outrage? Recycled drivel doesn't warrant outrage. rug Apr 2014 #10

Congratulations! Now go and ask the other congregants what their memory of the event was intaglio Apr 2014 #16

This is where your bias overwhelms your reason and knowledge. rug Apr 2014 #22

I may have to go ask my church council if we could add ankle-biting to the service somewhere! struggle4progress Apr 2014 #55

The Lectionary is also used by the Episcopal Church okasha Apr 2014 #57

Well, that sure set you off, didn't it? I suspect there's a simple explanation, too: struggle4progress Apr 2014 #13

No, I was brought up a High Anglican intaglio Apr 2014 #15

I thought a bit about whether I could apply your standard to other areas of my life struggle4progress Apr 2014 #48

The simple response is that mathematical proofs can be examined and tested intaglio Apr 2014 #56

The point of my reply #48 to your #15 was to disagree with your apparent claim in #15 struggle4progress Apr 2014 #59

Oh, yes, agreed intaglio Apr 2014 #63

Sometimes the best policy after a serious Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #24

You are free to ask the site Administrators to start an Internet Etiquette group if you wish struggle4progress Apr 2014 #41

It isn't a question of eitiquette. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #42

So how do you draw the line? Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #25

Yet, every devout christian I point out the inconsistencies to AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #11

You're free to speak to whomsoever you like, and nothing prevents you from characterizing struggle4progress Apr 2014 #14

When people say they are christians, I tend to accept that at face value. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #88

I've always loved "Ubi Caritas." Beautiful. The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2014 #27

I'd be more suspicious is there was close agreement between the gospels goldent Apr 2014 #12

Inconsistencies in Easter are found not just in texts; but in the church liturgical calendar too Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #17

In the year 2038, Easter will fall on April 25. John1956PA Apr 2014 #33

Thanks for correction! Would that be the Orthodox date? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #37

April 25 is the latest date on which Easter can fall in the Roman Catholic and Protestant religions. John1956PA Apr 2014 #38

Your notion that one day can be reliably identified, year after year, ignores astronomical realities struggle4progress Apr 2014 #40

Which is to say that our present day Christianity has excuses for not being entirely accurate? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #44

Since Christianity originated as a Jewish sect, in a small Roman colony, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #53

Well actually it would be pretty simple to figure out when pesach was that year. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #47

The date for Easter is derived from the date for Passover, which is tied to the beginning of spring, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #49

Easter is linked only "roughly" to Passover. And too divorced from any actual date of Jesus' death. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #83

Easter is very often the Sunday after Passover. The main source of difference, IIRC, struggle4progress Apr 2014 #84

You do of course known that the Lunar Calendar was rejected by science in favor of the Solar? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #87

I do so eagerly await your explanation of the scientific basis for our twelve months, including struggle4progress Apr 2014 #91

All of which finally allowed 12 nominal "moonths";but out of snyc with the actual moon cycles Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #92

So you were unable to support your claim in #87 regarding the great scientific importance struggle4progress Apr 2014 #93

Though most of science, history, use the modern calendar. Perhaps because the question is settled. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #52

This reminds me of the Queen's Birthday. goldent Apr 2014 #58

Blather. okasha Apr 2014 #60

Here's your 1st problem: it's said to be the day Jesus rose. But we are given 30+ different days. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #64

Here"s your problem. okasha Apr 2014 #68

Your problem: Easter Day is often PRESENTED AS the day Christ rose. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #71

The so-called "golden numbers" are astronomical in origin, arising from the so-called Metonic cycle struggle4progress Apr 2014 #69

All that exact Math - in service of a Biblical account which often contradicts itself. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #72

Oh, dear. A moment ago, you were objecting that struggle4progress Apr 2014 #75

Oh dear! You think astronomy is quite unrelated to math? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #81

We are not astrologers, and no magic would be expected by celebrating Easter on "the right day" struggle4progress Apr 2014 #85

So we have no real idea when the resurrection occured;or dozens of conflicting dates for celebration Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #86

This guy seems obsessed. What's up with that? cbayer Apr 2014 #18

When you begin adding up the facts, and first suspect someone is lying to you.... Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #19

Those obsessed with trying to prove or disprove cbayer Apr 2014 #20

Many atheists here HAVE supported just walking away from it. But others are concerned about lies. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #21

About half are apologetics? cbayer Apr 2014 #23

But in my examples, it is about physically saving physical lives finally Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #26

Saving is saving. cbayer Apr 2014 #28

Odd for someone associated with the medical profession to denigrate "saving" physical lives Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #29

Not at all odd for someone in the medical community to cbayer Apr 2014 #30

Another example of a Christian belief being physically fatal: denying medically-advised abortion Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #31

Yes, there are examples and those kinds of laws should be cbayer Apr 2014 #32

In my findings elsewhere, fatalities from religion are actually HUGE; enough to ban it Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #34

Oh, really? Could you provide a link for those "findings"? cbayer Apr 2014 #35

It is well known that religion is a major cause of WARS, first of all. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #36

Let's test your hypothesis: which US conflicts since 1776 do you regard as caused by religion? struggle4progress Apr 2014 #39

That's not really a test; that's probably your best contrary example. Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #43

First of all, how can one 'ban' religion? LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #46

Why either/or? Why not BOTH? Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #51

trying to prove or disprove the specific tenets of religious beliefs are just spinning their wheels AlbertCat Apr 2014 #61

Oh, my, here we go again. cbayer Apr 2014 #66

Wow, I'm amazed this post is generating such emotion LeftishBrit Apr 2014 #45

The emotion generated has little to do with the post itself. cbayer Apr 2014 #50

I don't see any need to be convinced that one version of religion is truer than any other. AlbertCat Apr 2014 #62

History is full of assholes who have done all kinds of things. cbayer Apr 2014 #67

Ms. cbayer? Ms. cbayer has 129,000 posts on Democratic Underground as of April 20, 2014 Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #65

What? You have post count envy or something? cbayer Apr 2014 #70

This is to suggest that Ms cbayer is a very major presence in the DU Religion section Brettongarcia Apr 2014 #73

Yes, I am, but my post count is primarily a reflection cbayer Apr 2014 #74

Hmm... moderating appears to account for around 4 posts per day. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #80

All of these stories exist as ways to celebrate a holiday. Benton D Struckcheon Apr 2014 #54

When I was in police work MFM008 Apr 2014 #76

PS MFM008 Apr 2014 #77

Well, big welcome to the Religion group, MFM008! cbayer Apr 2014 #79

Great story. cbayer Apr 2014 #78

Jewish law does not allow interment on the Sabbath; intaglio Apr 2014 #82

When I first read your subject line, I thought it said "internet". cbayer Apr 2014 #89

Umm, given that certain extremist Rebbes have issued bans on the internet intaglio Apr 2014 #90