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Humanist_Activist

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94. Here's a letter from him to the Carmelite Nuns about Argentina's same sex marriage bill...

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Tue Apr 29, 2014, 08:40 PM

Apr 2014

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2010/07/may-holy-family-join-us-in-this-war-of.html

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Is Pope Francis a bigot? [View all] skepticscott Apr 2014 OP

You have two questions in your poll... DonViejo Apr 2014 #1

The title is the question skepticscott Apr 2014 #3

Of course he is, whether personally or just under the burden of former Warpy Apr 2014 #2

Then why are Ugandan Catholics running a pogrom against gay people while their Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #9

Catholic Magazine 'America' Denounces Uganda's Harsh Anti-Gay Laws: Jesuit Editors Speak Out kwassa Apr 2014 #11

Oh, dear. okasha Apr 2014 #13

Inconvenient to the claim that the pope is a bigot? skepticscott Apr 2014 #16

Oh dear indeed. trotsky Apr 2014 #19

And if you were wondering about posts and posters defending papal bigotry skepticscott Apr 2014 #21

Funny that the pope is not among the religious leaders skepticscott Apr 2014 #15

I don't see the pope as a bigot, as it is defined here. kwassa Apr 2014 #23

So you don't think that calling same-sex marriage the work of the devil skepticscott Apr 2014 #24

and where did Pope Francis say that? kwassa Apr 2014 #29

Is the Googles not working for you Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #32

It would appear that his views are evolving on the subject. kwassa Apr 2014 #34

Nope, you have no evidence of that. trotsky Apr 2014 #40

no, civil unions are progress. Same-sex marriage is the next step. kwassa Apr 2014 #90

If he weren't a bigot skepticscott Apr 2014 #99

His views are that same-sex marriage should never be allowed. Period. skepticscott Apr 2014 #72

Right, but some/many are unable to recognize the distinction. elleng Apr 2014 #54

What distinction, just in the past month, Pope Francis criticized same sex parenting... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #64

quoting kwassa, elleng Apr 2014 #66

Uh? So when the Pope, a PERSON, says this, it isn't intolerance, what is he, possessed by the... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #67

The definition you posted includes the word intolerance. Cartoonist Apr 2014 #126

Thanks for this. elleng Apr 2014 #53

Sadly, yes Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #4

Why sadly? skepticscott Apr 2014 #5

Because I think he's in a position where he could do much good Prophet 451 Apr 2014 #6

He thinks he IS doing good skepticscott Apr 2014 #7

Calling it a sin denies their nature. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #14

Uganda is 42% Catholic, Francis' Bishops are calling for murder and elimination of Bluenorthwest Apr 2014 #8

What Ugandan Catholic bishop called for the murder and elimination of gay people? kwassa Apr 2014 #12

OMG edhopper Apr 2014 #18

You didn't answer the question. kwassa Apr 2014 #22

Saying they support the intention, just not the killing part is edhopper Apr 2014 #26

Not what I said. Bluenorthwest claims that bishops are calling for the killing and elimination kwassa Apr 2014 #30

You can take that up with Bluenorthwest edhopper Apr 2014 #31

You are wrong about the Bishops, they oppose the death penalty, but life in prison is acceptable. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #38

last time I looked the RCC's position on state executions was not so clear. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #128

It is true that the Church doesn't have an absolute position, for the past century or so... Humanist_Activist May 2014 #130

That hidden post must still sting. rug Apr 2014 #10

Do you agree that the Church's edhopper Apr 2014 #17

I wouldn't say bigoted. I wouod say it's wrong. rug Apr 2014 #20

I understand your view. edhopper Apr 2014 #25

The line between attendance and a buck in the basket and complicitly in whatever evil rug Apr 2014 #33

So you've decided what I was going to say edhopper Apr 2014 #44

You've said it before. rug Apr 2014 #49

I've said you could find out where your priest stands on gasy marriage, edhopper Apr 2014 #60

It's a very important issue but this particlar discussion is not worth bothering with further. rug Apr 2014 #61

Sure edhopper Apr 2014 #75

"dignity" are you fucking kidding me, that's just a cruel joke when the Church opposes equal rights. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #37

No I'm not "fucking kidding" you. It's a fact. rug Apr 2014 #41

Dignity cannot be had without recognizing equal rights, otherwise its a fucking lie. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #43

Rights are a matter of law; dignity is a matter of humanity. rug Apr 2014 #50

I'm bigoted against their homophobic beliefs, which are straight from the Catechism... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #51

Of course you are. You must have a stering opinion of the RCC but for that. rug Apr 2014 #56

Actually, outside of their actions and lobbying against choice, contraception, same sex marriage.... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #59

People have problems with nuance elleng Apr 2014 #55

It gets in the way of their bias. rug Apr 2014 #57

Yes it does, elleng Apr 2014 #58

No. elleng Apr 2014 #27

What part of "refuses to let gay people marry or have children" isn't utterly intolerant? n/t trotsky Apr 2014 #28

But not intolerant of people? What do you call a person who opposes equal rights for other people? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #35

I'd like to see the justification for those who voted "no". The Catechism of the Catholic Church... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #36

The definition of a bigot does it. elleng Apr 2014 #39

Get your definitions right, here's a fucking link: Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #42

Here's where I got my definition, elleng Apr 2014 #45

I have every reason to be rude to the disingenuous. Why the fuck should I be nice to those who... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #46

You are no humanist, elleng Apr 2014 #47

Pope Francis has said that same sex marriage is the work of the devil, that same sex parenting is... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #48

And of course the alert trolls just pounced on your post. Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #63

I find it curious, they stop bothering to respond when their BS is called out, don't they? n/t Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #65

Beautifully said malokvale77 Apr 2014 #68

I'm a humanist, I put the welfare and rights of People above those of Gods... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #69

I commend you for this... malokvale77 Apr 2014 #73

Just in case. AtheistCrusader Apr 2014 #70

Thanks for that, I don't see why it would get hidden, I didn't violate any rules as far as I can... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #71

Here: Warren Stupidity Apr 2014 #78

LOL, well the majority got it right this time, I didn't personally attack anyone... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #79

wait, someone can hate gays, blacks and women but if they kinda tolerate jews, that's not a bigot? unblock Apr 2014 #52

No, if they hate people, period, they can't be bigots, but if they criticize the Catholic Church? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #62

I'm equally interested in the justification of those who didn't even vote skepticscott Apr 2014 #74

Probably because they have even less patience with bullshit polls than they do with rug Apr 2014 #76

Republicans and their extremist religious supporters enact laws, federal and state statutes. pinto Apr 2014 #77

"None of them need effect us." But they do, when the USCCCB lobbies to ban same sex marriage... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #82

Legal marriage rights are primarily a civil concern. Churches can do what they may. pinto Apr 2014 #84

Ahh, you are one of those "I got mine, fuck you" types, ok, well at least you make it easy... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #85

I'm not a type. I'm not a label. I'm not a category. I don't hold a "fuck you" point of view. pinto Apr 2014 #89

The issue I took with your post is you bothered to criticize extreme religious supporters... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #96

Sorry for the late response, I've been sidetracked. I Include extremist RCC members in that. pinto May 2014 #129

Are atheists bigoted toward those who believe in god? BuddhaGirl Apr 2014 #80

Some are, I'm sure, what is the point of your post? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #81

Not at all equating the two BuddhaGirl Apr 2014 #86

Your belief that atheism is a belief skepticscott Apr 2014 #87

you're entitled to your opinion BuddhaGirl Apr 2014 #98

Who said all Catholics are bigots? Give me a post link or something. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #88

And what is your proof that Pope Francis is a bigot? kwassa Apr 2014 #92

Here's a letter from him to the Carmelite Nuns about Argentina's same sex marriage bill... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #94

A view he held four years ago, and seems to be changing. kwassa Apr 2014 #100

Question, are people who are against interracial marriages racist in your worldview? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #101

False argument. kwassa Apr 2014 #105

First off, he called civil unions a "lesser of two evils" even back 4 years ago or so... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #108

If you bothered to actually read this thread in it's entirety ... kwassa Apr 2014 #109

When he was a Bishop in Argentina he supposedly tried to negotiate the same thing. Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #110

It is a very traditional position to hold. To describe it as bigoted is very new. kwassa Apr 2014 #111

Civil unions, in the form of Marriage, have been around for a long time... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #112

Bigotry must involve demonstrated hate and intolerance, per the definition. kwassa Apr 2014 #113

I would say that its rather intolerant to call same sex parenting child abuse... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #114

It still doesn't rise to the level of bigotry, to me. kwassa Apr 2014 #120

Except that we're not talking about Catholic Church politics here skepticscott Apr 2014 #116

I completely disagree. We ARE talking about Catholic Church politics kwassa Apr 2014 #117

So he's fine, but a majority of Catholics are bigots Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #118

I have no idea if he is fine. I have no idea of the majority of Catholics are bigots. kwassa Apr 2014 #119

Are you saying he's afraid to take an unpopular position skepticscott Apr 2014 #121

Since I rarely find agreement with anything you say, I don't expect to now, either. kwassa Apr 2014 #122

Bigoted doctrine is fundamental to the Catholic Church skepticscott Apr 2014 #123

So why hasn't Jesus straightened out the RCC by now? trotsky Apr 2014 #124

Based on what? skepticscott Apr 2014 #103

Based on what I already posted of his viewpoint on civil unions kwassa Apr 2014 #107

He made vague statements about something that some people skepticscott Apr 2014 #115

LOL - I never said that some were saying that all BuddhaGirl Apr 2014 #93

How can someone hold bigoted views and not be a bigot? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #95

I am butchering nothing BuddhaGirl Apr 2014 #97

Under what context would someone be a bigot, if its not while holding bigoted views? Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #102

Your problem is that you are... Walk away Apr 2014 #104

Hey now, I feel like I should be insulted, OK, not really... Humanist_Activist Apr 2014 #106

Not as long as their religious practices skepticscott Apr 2014 #83

If that were true, you wouldn't be so desperate to portray believers as mentally ill. rug Apr 2014 #91

Yes. If Pope Francis had a DU account Goblinmonger Apr 2014 #125

Yep skepticscott Apr 2014 #127