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Jim__

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38. Trudeau's speech is far more thought provoking than anything in Douthat's attempted rebuttal.
Thu May 21, 2015, 06:22 AM
May 2015

As to use of the word privilege. Trudeau used the word once in his speech, and he uses it with reference to himself:

I’m aware that I make these observations from a special position, one of safety. In America, no one goes into cartooning for the adrenaline. As Jon Stewart said in the aftermath of the killings, comedy in a free society shouldn’t take courage.

Writing satire is a privilege I’ve never taken lightly. And I’m still trying to get it right. Doonesbury remains a work in progress, an imperfect chronicle of human imperfection. It is work, though, that only exists because of the remarkable license that commentators enjoy in this country. That license has been stretched beyond recognition in the digital age. It’s not easy figuring out where the red line is for satire anymore. But it’s always worth asking this question: Is anyone, anyone at all, laughing? If not, maybe you crossed it.


He uses it twice, if you include the use of non-privileged:

Traditionally, satire has comforted the afflicted while afflicting the comfortable. Satire punches up, against authority of all kinds, the little guy against the powerful. Great French satirists like Molière and Daumier always punched up, holding up the self-satisfied and hypocritical to ridicule. Ridiculing the non-privileged is almost never funny—it’s just mean.


I take the part of Trudeau's speech that is about Charlie Hebdo to be concerned with the responsibility that goes along with free speech. That's not an endorsement of government suppression of speech, but rather a question as to how individuals should weigh responsibility against possibility. In Douthat's criticism of Trudeau's speech, he failed to address Trudeau's point that 100 Muslims had been arrested for expressing support for the attacks. Does Douthat support those arrests because the Muslims, in exercising their free speech rights, were ignoring their responsibility? ...(A)lmost every official hierarchy of victimhood tends toward some kind of blindness or partiality.


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religionists are the most privliged class on the planet. they commit wholesale murder and the victim msongs May 2015 #1
Yup. Charlie Hebdo, Geller, Jylland Posten, they all got blamed Yorktown May 2015 #2
Devastating turnaround of Trudeau's critique, right back at him. trotsky May 2015 #3
Breaking News, just in Yorktown May 2015 #4
Which other rightwingers do you suggest we read? rug May 2015 #16
Does an argument validity depend on who says it? Yorktown May 2015 #26
Apparently. rug May 2015 #35
Question about the alert you posted Yorktown May 2015 #39
Not quite. It depends on how it's used. rug May 2015 #60
Ross Douthat? Really? cbayer May 2015 #5
But cbayer, you have no problem with the anti-abortion and anti-gay rhetoric of the pope. trotsky May 2015 #6
But that's totally different. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #7
And also... trotsky May 2015 #8
I don't agree with... MellowDem May 2015 #9
This guy is a hypocrite when it comes to religious privilege. cbayer May 2015 #10
I agree the guy is a hypocrite... MellowDem May 2015 #13
Agree about broken clocks. The danger is in thinking they cbayer May 2015 #14
Was Charlie Hebdo persecuted? Did its attackers enjoy the privilege of violence? Yorktown May 2015 #28
May your time here be brief. cbayer May 2015 #31
You are the gold standard of tolerance Yorktown May 2015 #32
I was just asked to serve on a Jury for this post edhopper May 2015 #41
I laughed and voted to leave it pintobean May 2015 #42
Yeah edhopper May 2015 #43
Apparently the jury saw fit to leave it. cbayer May 2015 #47
What is a just blacklist? edhopper May 2015 #55
I have a blacklist of people who are not permitted to serve on juries cbayer May 2015 #58
Thanks edhopper May 2015 #61
It's unlikely you would need it, but it's available to you if you wanted it. cbayer May 2015 #64
You mean like grownups who brag about laughing at other people's religions? trotsky May 2015 #63
In case anyone asks, I did not 'alert' over any of cbayer's posts Yorktown May 2015 #50
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Surely, you are better than this. cbayer May 2015 #20
3 serving 0 Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #29
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Chomsky recently said the NYT is the world's best newspaper Yorktown May 2015 #27
It's the Aubusson of bird-cage liners. okasha May 2015 #33
Which means? Yorktown May 2015 #34
That she shares an opinion with Ann Coulter. n/t trotsky May 2015 #44
Does it mean okasha leans RW? Yorktown May 2015 #45
It means there is a disgusting RWer that she agrees with on at least one particular item. trotsky May 2015 #46
Hypocritical criticisms? Here? In the 'Religion' forum? Yorktown May 2015 #48
LOL trotsky May 2015 #49
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... Fix The Stupid May 2015 #53
Hypocritical? Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #54
Trudeau's speech is far more thought provoking than anything in Douthat's attempted rebuttal. Jim__ May 2015 #38
Yet "privileged" and "non-privileged" only make sense in context. trotsky May 2015 #52
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