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Silent3

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39. My problem is the difference between protection and accomodation.

Sat Sep 19, 2015, 10:01 AM

Sep 2015

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They aren't always the same thing. Accommodation has a way of turning into special privilege. I have no desire to give religious people special privileges at my expense.

At a certain point (for me, it's a point reached easily) I expect religious believers to bear the brunt of the inconveniences and costs caused by their silly self-imposed limitations. They are self-imposed limitations, not at all similar to the limitations caused by disability.

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Suit: Job offer pulled after religious accommodation request [View all] rug Sep 2015 OP

After some soul searching... katsy Sep 2015 #1

Wow. Okay... Hortensis Sep 2015 #51

Okay what? katsy Sep 2015 #52

Katsy, I pushed the button by accident. I thought I'd backed away Hortensis Sep 2015 #64

Its a fine line. katsy Sep 2015 #68

Well, for all the noise around it, note that people are NOT able to use Hortensis Sep 2015 #70

You are correct. katsy Sep 2015 #72

You caught me by surprise, Katsy. I'm geared to be contrary. Have a very nice day. Hortensis Sep 2015 #73

And I know when I'm wrong katsy Sep 2015 #75

No, please, YOU should have a better day. Hortensis Sep 2015 #76

Wow! What a wonderful sub thread. Thanks, you two. longship Sep 2015 #84

I don't know about around the Twin Cities Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #2

Oopsie! They aren't allowed to do that. longship Sep 2015 #3

What bull nichomachus Sep 2015 #5

"I care if you can work during the times I'm hiring you to work." rug Sep 2015 #6

Actually it is nichomachus Sep 2015 #9

Actually, it isn't. rug Sep 2015 #13

Those are all isolated events that happen to everyone, even atheists Fumesucker Sep 2015 #33

These "isolated events" happens thosdands of times a day in every workplace. rug Sep 2015 #37

It's hard not to lose some respect for you when you start sandbagging on intelligence Fumesucker Sep 2015 #43

Very few businesses have that policy. rug Sep 2015 #53

That's why the government needs to mandate it Fumesucker Sep 2015 #69

That's what the EEOC is doing in this case. rug Sep 2015 #74

It seems that somebody thinks temporary and Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #40

It's sad watching a person waste a good intellect defending the indefensible Fumesucker Sep 2015 #44

And yet it happens all day long, every single day. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #45

I think some smart people are prone to getting into feedback loops Fumesucker Sep 2015 #47

Or their just plain assholes. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #49

... Fumesucker Sep 2015 #50

You, of all people, should be cautious using that word. rug Sep 2015 #63

How about you just point out the flaw in the argument instead of musing about trolling. rug Sep 2015 #62

Some people are just convinced that their shit doesn't stink. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #66

And some are just compelled to toss it. rug Sep 2015 #67

It seems that somebody does not read very well. rug Sep 2015 #61

I would be upset if I had to extra weekend shifts so somebody else could be off Friday and Sat Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #10

No, I wouldn't. I would be upset if the boss didn't hire enogh workers to get the job done. rug Sep 2015 #14

He did hire enough, but some don't work weekend nights, so now there are not enough Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #16

And if someone needs an accommodation, be it for religion or disability, she gets it. rug Sep 2015 #22

If someone needs a reasonable accommodation they get it. What's "reasonable" is the question. Silent3 Sep 2015 #36

That is precisely the qestion. rug Sep 2015 #38

My problem is the difference between protection and accomodation. Silent3 Sep 2015 #39

Thats the key, self-imposed limitations. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #48

"Am I to view religious beliefs as a form of disability?" cleanhippie Sep 2015 #46

Um! That would be religious discrimination. longship Sep 2015 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author snagglepuss Sep 2015 #30

It isn't a first amendment issue. Warren Stupidity Sep 2015 #41

Well, that is why the EEOC is involved. longship Sep 2015 #42

So...if a hospital happened to hire (unknowingly) 25 doctors and nurses, people would have to fend.. BlueJazz Sep 2015 #4

This "religious beliefs" bullshit is getting out of control nichomachus Sep 2015 #7

Ah, so you are a boss. rug Sep 2015 #8

Well thanks for making a sweeping unsupported judgment nichomachus Sep 2015 #12

Free exercise clause. First amendment. Pretty simple actually. longship Sep 2015 #17

The only sweeping unsppoted judgments I see are in yor posts. rug Sep 2015 #20

I'm not so sure being a boss means he is anti workers rights Travis_0004 Sep 2015 #15

Tell that to an Orthodox Jew or a Seventh Day Adventist. longship Sep 2015 #19

Jews and Seventh Day Adventists are welcome to work there teenagebambam Sep 2015 #28

There is two issues here, my friend. longship Sep 2015 #35

So if one is hired to work the 3rd shift M-F because they applied for that position... cleanhippie Sep 2015 #54

That is not an analogous situation. longship Sep 2015 #56

But that's my point, why is this being considered discrimination at all? cleanhippie Sep 2015 #57

Well, the EEOC filed the case. longship Sep 2015 #59

Why should believing in one of those religions be the only reason you can't not hire them? cleanhippie Sep 2015 #55

"Can't not hire them"??????? longship Sep 2015 #58

I feel like you are intentionally ignoring my questions to you. cleanhippie Sep 2015 #71

Yes, but only to the extent that it does not violate federal law. longship Sep 2015 #77

Read my post below concerning the details of the case, below. longship Sep 2015 #80

One day... MellowDem Sep 2015 #18

In the sweet by and by rug Sep 2015 #21

Religious accommodation is discrimatory towards non-believers Lordquinton Sep 2015 #65

Do they give their Jewish employees that same sundown Friday to sundown Saturday, and do they give Squinch Sep 2015 #23

I would be interested to know if she "relented" after consulting with a pastor Adsos Letter Sep 2015 #24

The article doesn't say but this is the SDA stated position: rug Sep 2015 #25

Hospitals, clinics, etc., as well as schools. Adsos Letter Sep 2015 #26

I think you're right about the police and fire departments. It's a logical extension. rug Sep 2015 #27

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The answer is "yes". She relented, and then the offer was withdrawn. longship Sep 2015 #85

Thank you, longship. Adsos Letter Sep 2015 #86

Anyone wanting to work in the health care field, SheilaT Sep 2015 #31

I agree completely. Ilsa Sep 2015 #32

Perhaps she should apply for a job SoCalNative Sep 2015 #34

The key issue here is TIMING. TygrBright Sep 2015 #60

It's worse than that, Bright. longship Sep 2015 #81

VERY low. Also *stupid.* TygrBright Sep 2015 #82

Here are the details, from the EEOC. longship Sep 2015 #78

Thanks for finding the details. rug Sep 2015 #79

You're welcome, rug. Glad to oblige. longship Sep 2015 #83