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struggle4progress

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58. I've never heard questions of "evidence" discussed in any church I ever attended

Sun Mar 27, 2016, 12:19 AM

Mar 2016

Such questions may matter to the so-called "fundamentalists" but I think they completely miss the point so I don't attend fundamentalist churches

The story that has come to us through the millennia is full of scandalous meaning, even without evidence: the King of the Universe born as a human child to a mother not yet married when she becomes pregnant, raised by a man who was not his father, a refugee in childhood, a poor homeless wanderer as an adult, murdered by the state on demand of the religious authorities

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Review: "God Is No Thing" by Rupert Shortt � an excellent response to New Atheism [View all] rug Mar 2016 OP

Help. Could some one give a synopsis of this piece? I tried to understand ladjf Mar 2016 #1

In a nutshell, many of the current criticisms of Christianity are attacks on strawmen. rug Mar 2016 #2

Thanks for the briefing. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #3

The end of the article is... dubious. DetlefK Mar 2016 #4

Everything is dubious. rug Mar 2016 #8

"The claim made by religious philosophers of a certain kind..." DetlefK Mar 2016 #5

Atheism = Narcissistic Nihilism Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #6

You just made the mistake the article warned about. DetlefK Mar 2016 #13

According to you. Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #17

And what is it according to YOU? DetlefK Mar 2016 #23

Religion = Ego-driven Superstition AlbertCat Mar 2016 #61

Not excellent! Cartoonist Mar 2016 #7

Sigh . . . . rug Mar 2016 #9

Who's doing that? Cartoonist Mar 2016 #11

No one. Because it can't be done. rug Mar 2016 #14

True Major Nikon Mar 2016 #44

I don't think the point of Christianity has much to do with evidence. struggle4progress Mar 2016 #46

Strange then the adherents spend so much time with it Major Nikon Mar 2016 #47

I've never heard questions of "evidence" discussed in any church I ever attended struggle4progress Mar 2016 #58

I'm not saying it's questioned Major Nikon Mar 2016 #59

ultimately it simply comes down to faith. rug Mar 2016 #49

No, ultimately it simply comes down to evidence Major Nikon Mar 2016 #50

A) Evidence is inadequate. rug Mar 2016 #51

You have it exactly backwards Major Nikon Mar 2016 #52

And you confuse atheist with nontheist. rug Mar 2016 #53

I'm pretty sure you're the one confused Major Nikon Mar 2016 #54

Sorry, ed, I don't want to debate prefixes with you tonight. rug Mar 2016 #55

And yet you are the one who brought up semantics Major Nikon Mar 2016 #56

Sure, as soon as you can design one to validate any aspect of the ineffable whatthehey Mar 2016 #12

Validation is the same argument as the evidence argument. rug Mar 2016 #15

So a yes or no question whatthehey Mar 2016 #20

DON'T. You are opening a can of worms here. DetlefK Mar 2016 #21

Yes. rug Mar 2016 #31

"Described" as ineffable? DetlefK Mar 2016 #18

Precisely, the disciples witnessed the person of Jesus. rug Mar 2016 #22

Are you saying that it's okay to believe in a False God and/or to not believe in the real God? DetlefK Mar 2016 #25

No. I am saying that it is not only okay to believe in a god(s) but that it is reasonable to do so. rug Mar 2016 #28

I don't get it. Why is it reasonable to believe in God? DetlefK Mar 2016 #42

That's a thoughtful post. rug Mar 2016 #43

Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #45

You sound jealous, scottie. rug Mar 2016 #48

But then you need an entirely new definition of existence. DetlefK Mar 2016 #62

It's more that an additional definition of existence is required, not a new one. rug Mar 2016 #63

The evidence is 4th or 5th hand at best Major Nikon Mar 2016 #57

Start with the human brain, ed. rug Mar 2016 #32

Oh, oh, oh! I got another one: DetlefK Mar 2016 #10

Ok, Horshack. Good point but I'll leave it there for other comments. rug Mar 2016 #16

Any comment on my first point in this post? DetlefK Mar 2016 #19

As to that, I do. rug Mar 2016 #26

One final comment on that. DetlefK Mar 2016 #34

This article is a neverending treasure-trove of hypocrisy: DetlefK Mar 2016 #24

This sentence edhopper Mar 2016 #27

Techically, it's a nihil ex nihilo argument. rug Mar 2016 #30

nothing has different meanings in philosophy edhopper Mar 2016 #33

Time and space. rug Mar 2016 #39

god is heaven05 Mar 2016 #29

Williams ought to specify how you go from muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #35

Nobody cares about Christian writers/apologists... MellowDem Mar 2016 #36

No, they jst debate them. rug Mar 2016 #40

They debate other populizers of Christianity... MellowDem Mar 2016 #41

New Atheists are the Clinton campaign of unbelief: they're only vaguely aware that one Wiki MisterP Mar 2016 #37

I haven't the faintest idea what you're saying muriel_volestrangler Mar 2016 #38

What is the summary of that book? Albertoo Mar 2016 #60

Question for Mr. Shortt. Htom Sirveaux Mar 2016 #64