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Act_of_Reparation

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18. The poll has two serious experimental flaws...
Fri Jan 19, 2018, 07:41 PM
Jan 2018

...anyone with any training in social or behavioral sciences should be able to quickly identify.

First, the poll is asking people to self-report their attitudes. When asked, people will invariably present their ideal selves, their selves as they see them, or how they would like to be seen by others. This confounds the accuracy of the test.

Ideally, you'd test people implicit biases, the attitudes they aren't consciously aware of. Racism tests, for example, that ask people to self-report their racial attitudes invariably show a miraculous dearth of racism among respondents. Racism tests that prod at peoples' racial attitudes without them knowing it tend to present different results.

This isn't a jab at Gallup. Their polls are well-designed and generally useful. However, there are limitations to their usefulness that should be recognized when discussing these topics.

Second, there is the context of the question. It asks if voters would vote to elect an atheist candidate nominated by their party. The question assumes the party has put forth an atheist candidate, and that candidate is running against the opposition party. Because party identification is so strong, this is virtually a meaningless question. Of course party-affiliated voters are going to to vote for their party over the opposition.

The problem here is that the parties don't nominate atheist candidates. A more meaningful question would ask if affiliated voters would cast their votes for an atheist versus a person of faith in the primary election. It would help demonstrate what voters would do once the party identification variable-- a strongly confounding variable--was removed from the equation.

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Most atheists are Democrats, but most Democrats are not atheists marylandblue Jan 2018 #1
But in a Democratic primary, if 58% of voters guillaumeb Jan 2018 #2
In a dem primary, the difference on issues will be relatively small marylandblue Jan 2018 #10
From Pew Research. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #3
And many, if not most, evangelical Christians guillaumeb Jan 2018 #5
And does that make any sense at all? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #9
Says you. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #13
Like racism? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #31
There is that. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #38
Excellent observation. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #40
What's the difference between an atheist and a phony religious person? It's easy walkingman Jan 2018 #4
In your opinion, what is a "phony religious person"? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #6
IMO - It is anyone that uses religion to advance their own interests without any adherence to walkingman Jan 2018 #8
Here's an example you asked for in another thread Lordquinton Jan 2018 #49
It found me. eom guillaumeb Jan 2018 #57
Because theists have portrayed non-believers as evil for centuries. longship Jan 2018 #7
Some people need enemies. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #32
Who said anything about enemies? longship Jan 2018 #47
So are you totally ignoring what was just said to you? Lordquinton Jan 2018 #50
When races are in the 5X/4X% range, you don't take on a single extra scrap of baggage you AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #11
The Bible says atheists are evil, many times, in the Old and the New Testaments. Mariana Jan 2018 #12
The Book also says we are all sinners. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #14
You're sure they'd be forgiven. Mariana Jan 2018 #15
I'm just following your lead. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #16
Those really are quotes from the book. Mariana Jan 2018 #17
You're the authority. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #20
Is it sinful to vote for an atheist? nt. Mariana Jan 2018 #24
I understand your comment and citations to mean it is sinful. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #25
You are lying outright now. I didn't propose any such thing. Mariana Jan 2018 #41
I explained where my observation came from. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #43
Interesting how these simple yes/no questions can never be answered Lordquinton Jan 2018 #51
Do to others as you would have them do to you. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #33
"if we are truly repentant." Meaning we believe in god. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #55
Unfortunately for the unbelievers, there is one sin that can't be forgiven marylandblue Jan 2018 #19
Well, that's what you believe, anyway. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #21
I do not confuse them deliberately marylandblue Jan 2018 #22
And you don't see this as political control? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #23
You can find persecution of atheists in Christian countries too marylandblue Jan 2018 #26
And you see this as The State prosecuting Atheists as religious intolerance? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #27
I think I'll put my answer in a new OP, because it really is a topic to itself. marylandblue Jan 2018 #29
And I promise not to step all over your post. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #30
And persecution of theists in N. Korea. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #34
Persecution by religion is still persecution marylandblue Jan 2018 #45
Persecution is a human behavior. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #46
Master, how many times should we forgive? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #42
Religion often speaks out of both sides of its mouth marylandblue Jan 2018 #44
The poll has two serious experimental flaws... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #18
But is it not necessary first that atheists run for office? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #35
Was my post unclear? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #48
Yes or no questions are unclear Lordquinton Jan 2018 #52
Cause so many evangelicals and right wing Christians vote in racist snakes applegrove Jan 2018 #28
An interesting observation. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #36
Yes. Most people do. But the GOP weaponizes it. applegrove Jan 2018 #37
Weaponizes it very well. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #39
And Religion Lordquinton Jan 2018 #56
Cause if you're not FOR god you're AGAINST him, and only Satin is against god. Binkie The Clown Jan 2018 #53
Because people are brainwashed Lunabell Jan 2018 #54
Why do you think this is so? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #59
I'm on many facebook religion discussion groups Lunabell Jan 2018 #62
I understand. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #63
In that Gallup survey, only 64% of Democrats said they'd vote for an atheist as president muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #58
Nearly an identical number for evangelical Christians. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #60
Yes and no - remember Carter left the Southern Baptists because of their misogyny muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #61
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