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muriel_volestrangler

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61. Yes and no - remember Carter left the Southern Baptists because of their misogyny
Tue Jan 23, 2018, 01:10 PM
Jan 2018

and so his 1970s "evangelical" identification may well not apply now.

Losing my religion for equality

I HAVE been a practising Christian all my life and a deacon and Bible teacher for many years. My faith is a source of strength and comfort to me, as religious beliefs are to hundreds of millions of people around the world. So my decision to sever my ties with the Southern Baptist Convention, after six decades, was painful and difficult. It was, however, an unavoidable decision when the convention's leaders, quoting a few carefully selected Bible verses and claiming that Eve was created second to Adam and was responsible for original sin, ordained that women must be "subservient" to their husbands and prohibited from serving as deacons, pastors or chaplains in the military service.

This view that women are somehow inferior to men is not restricted to one religion or belief. Women are prevented from playing a full and equal role in many faiths. Nor, tragically, does its influence stop at the walls of the church, mosque, synagogue or temple. This discrimination, unjustifiably attributed to a Higher Authority, has provided a reason or excuse for the deprivation of women's equal rights across the world for centuries.
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I understand, however, why many political leaders can be reluctant about stepping into this minefield. Religion, and tradition, are powerful and sensitive areas to challenge. But my fellow Elders and I, who come from many faiths and backgrounds, no longer need to worry about winning votes or avoiding controversy - and we are deeply committed to challenging injustice wherever we see it.
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The truth is that male religious leaders have had - and still have - an option to interpret holy teachings either to exalt or subjugate women. They have, for their own selfish ends, overwhelmingly chosen the latter. Their continuing choice provides the foundation or justification for much of the pervasive persecution and abuse of women throughout the world. This is in clear violation not just of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights but also the teachings of Jesus Christ, the Apostle Paul, Moses and the prophets, Muhammad, and founders of other great religions - all of whom have called for proper and equitable treatment of all the children of God. It is time we had the courage to challenge these views.

http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/losing-my-religion-for-equality-20090714-dk0v.html

Say something that during an election, and not many people will apply the "evangelical" label to you in the USA, even if he still has the literal meaning of wanted to "spread the good news".

The Pew poll also linked from the NPR report indicates atheism is still a bigger problems for Democratic primaries than being evangelical:

There is a sizable partisan divide in views of a candidate’s religion. For Republicans, a candidate being an evangelical Christian is a net positive (36% more likely, 5% less likely); for Democrats, more say it would decrease (27%) than increase (12%) their chances of supporting a candidate.

And while 70% of Republicans say they would be less likely to support a candidate who does not believe in God, Democrats are more ambivalent: 42% say they would be less likely to support an atheist, while 49% say it wouldn’t matter to them.

http://www.people-press.org/2014/05/19/for-2016-hopefuls-washington-experience-could-do-more-harm-than-good/

(so that's at most 9% of Democrats saying atheism would increase their chances of support).

Well, the issue may not come up; but that's the point of this thread, isn't it? That atheist candidates wouldn't want it to come up, because with significant numbers of potential voters, there's a big downside, but little upside.

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Most atheists are Democrats, but most Democrats are not atheists marylandblue Jan 2018 #1
But in a Democratic primary, if 58% of voters guillaumeb Jan 2018 #2
In a dem primary, the difference on issues will be relatively small marylandblue Jan 2018 #10
From Pew Research. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #3
And many, if not most, evangelical Christians guillaumeb Jan 2018 #5
And does that make any sense at all? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #9
Says you. AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #13
Like racism? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #31
There is that. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #38
Excellent observation. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #40
What's the difference between an atheist and a phony religious person? It's easy walkingman Jan 2018 #4
In your opinion, what is a "phony religious person"? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #6
IMO - It is anyone that uses religion to advance their own interests without any adherence to walkingman Jan 2018 #8
Here's an example you asked for in another thread Lordquinton Jan 2018 #49
It found me. eom guillaumeb Jan 2018 #57
Because theists have portrayed non-believers as evil for centuries. longship Jan 2018 #7
Some people need enemies. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #32
Who said anything about enemies? longship Jan 2018 #47
So are you totally ignoring what was just said to you? Lordquinton Jan 2018 #50
When races are in the 5X/4X% range, you don't take on a single extra scrap of baggage you AtheistCrusader Jan 2018 #11
The Bible says atheists are evil, many times, in the Old and the New Testaments. Mariana Jan 2018 #12
The Book also says we are all sinners. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #14
You're sure they'd be forgiven. Mariana Jan 2018 #15
I'm just following your lead. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #16
Those really are quotes from the book. Mariana Jan 2018 #17
You're the authority. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #20
Is it sinful to vote for an atheist? nt. Mariana Jan 2018 #24
I understand your comment and citations to mean it is sinful. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #25
You are lying outright now. I didn't propose any such thing. Mariana Jan 2018 #41
I explained where my observation came from. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #43
Interesting how these simple yes/no questions can never be answered Lordquinton Jan 2018 #51
Do to others as you would have them do to you. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #33
"if we are truly repentant." Meaning we believe in god. Cuthbert Allgood Jan 2018 #55
Unfortunately for the unbelievers, there is one sin that can't be forgiven marylandblue Jan 2018 #19
Well, that's what you believe, anyway. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #21
I do not confuse them deliberately marylandblue Jan 2018 #22
And you don't see this as political control? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #23
You can find persecution of atheists in Christian countries too marylandblue Jan 2018 #26
And you see this as The State prosecuting Atheists as religious intolerance? yallerdawg Jan 2018 #27
I think I'll put my answer in a new OP, because it really is a topic to itself. marylandblue Jan 2018 #29
And I promise not to step all over your post. yallerdawg Jan 2018 #30
And persecution of theists in N. Korea. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #34
Persecution by religion is still persecution marylandblue Jan 2018 #45
Persecution is a human behavior. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #46
Master, how many times should we forgive? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #42
Religion often speaks out of both sides of its mouth marylandblue Jan 2018 #44
The poll has two serious experimental flaws... Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #18
But is it not necessary first that atheists run for office? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #35
Was my post unclear? Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #48
Yes or no questions are unclear Lordquinton Jan 2018 #52
Cause so many evangelicals and right wing Christians vote in racist snakes applegrove Jan 2018 #28
An interesting observation. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #36
Yes. Most people do. But the GOP weaponizes it. applegrove Jan 2018 #37
Weaponizes it very well. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #39
And Religion Lordquinton Jan 2018 #56
Cause if you're not FOR god you're AGAINST him, and only Satin is against god. Binkie The Clown Jan 2018 #53
Because people are brainwashed Lunabell Jan 2018 #54
Why do you think this is so? guillaumeb Jan 2018 #59
I'm on many facebook religion discussion groups Lunabell Jan 2018 #62
I understand. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #63
In that Gallup survey, only 64% of Democrats said they'd vote for an atheist as president muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #58
Nearly an identical number for evangelical Christians. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #60
Yes and no - remember Carter left the Southern Baptists because of their misogyny muriel_volestrangler Jan 2018 #61
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