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In reply to the discussion: Why is Dr. Dawkins and some others such controversial figures? [View all]Jim__
(14,546 posts)12. That is the conclusion of the argument.
Aquinas' argument is (in part):
Now whatever is in motion is put in motion by another
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If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again.
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But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover
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Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other
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If that by which it is put in motion be itself put in motion, then this also must needs be put in motion by another, and that by another again.
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But this cannot go on to infinity, because then there would be no first mover, and, consequently, no other mover
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Therefore it is necessary to arrive at a first mover, put in motion by no other
As to your question:
Are you saying its a warranted conclusion, and if so, where is your evidence?
Read my post #10:
... The whole argument leads to the conclusion that there is a need for an unmoved mover. You can call the argument invalid; but you can't claim the claim that the conclusion is an entirely unwarranted assumption.
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This is not to claim that Aquinas' arguments are right. They have been rather famously refuted - for instance, by Kant. Dawkins could have just cited Kant.
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This is not to claim that Aquinas' arguments are right. They have been rather famously refuted - for instance, by Kant. Dawkins could have just cited Kant.
As to:
As far as the second, no idea, have no interest in bullshit fields of study such as theology(or parapsychology like a BS posted in another post in this thread).
Your interest is quite beside the point. You asked why Dawkins was attacked. In this instance, his claims were attacked because he claimed:
Even if we allow the dubious luxury of arbitrarily conjuring up a terminator to an infinite regress and giving it a name, simply because we need one, there is absolutely no reason to endow that terminator with any of the properties normally ascribed to God: omnipotence, omniscience, goodness, creativity of design, to say nothing of such human attributes as listening to prayers, forgiving sins and reading innermost thoughts.
But, as I stated in my post, Summa Theologica goes on to derive God's attributes based on the previously given existence arguments. Again, I'm not arguing for the correctness of Aquinas' arguments; just that to claim they are not even there is, to say the least, extreme sloppiness, and, as such, subject to attack.
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Why is Dr. Dawkins and some others such controversial figures? [View all]
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2011
OP
A fellow "Scientist" who believes in telepathy and generational memory...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2011
#9
Ancedotal evidence is useless without repeatability, do you understand...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2011
#42
Stop misrepresenting science. You can believe whatever the fuck you want...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2011
#28
Because he's critical of religion, and possibly also because he's pro-evolution
LeftishBrit
Dec 2011
#6
"...under direct attack by many people who use misinformation, lies, and ignorance as their weapons.
Jim__
Dec 2011
#10
You attack the whole Dawkins's God Delution based on a paragraph made to be a 'filler'?
Lost-in-FL
Dec 2011
#25
No. I'm merely pointing to one paragraph that demonstrates why his book was attacked.
Jim__
Dec 2011
#29
I prefer conversations that are useful and relevant to the discussion at hand...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2011
#41
Big Bang cosmology doesn't require either "metaphysical" presumption...
Humanist_Activist
Dec 2011
#26
Poor phrasing on my part. Emphasis on put, as in - all things in motion MUST be put in motion.
edhopper
Dec 2011
#49