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In reply to the discussion: Coincidence or conspiracy? [View all]struggle4progress
(126,823 posts)9. Let's see any of those claims about the myth of Horus confirmed by a genuine Egyptologist
Last edited Sat Oct 20, 2012, 11:14 PM - Edit history (1)
December BTW was a Roman month, not an Egyptian month, and the Roman calendar was infamous before the reform of Julius Caesar for having become rather wacky
In addition, the fixing of 25 December as the Christ-mass occurs relatively late:
... About A.D. 200, Clement of Alexandria (Stromata I.21) says that certain Egyptian theologians "over curiously" assign, not the year alone, but the day of Christ's birth, placing it on 25 Pachon (20 May) in the twenty-eighth year of Augustus. [Ideler (Chron., II, 397, n.) thought they did this believing that the ninth month, in which Christ was born, was the ninth of their own calendar.] Others reached the date of 24 or 25 Pharmuthi (19 or 20 April). With Clement's evidence may be mentioned the "De paschæ computus", written in 243 and falsely ascribed to Cyprian (P.L., IV, 963 sqq.), which places Christ's birth on 28 March, because on that day the material sun was created. But Lupi has shown (Zaccaria, Dissertazioni ecc. del p. A.M. Lupi, Faenza, 1785, p. 219) that there is no month in the year to which respectable authorities have not assigned Christ's birth. Clement, however, also tells us that the Basilidians celebrated the Epiphany, and with it, probably, the Nativity, on 15 or 11 Tybi (10 or 6 January) ... The December feast .. reached Egypt between 427 and 433 ...http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm
So the modern date for the Christ-mass did not flow from Egypt but rather into Egypt from the West, thousands of years after the original cult of Horus had been forgotten
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It's scarcely worth an exhaustive debunking, so let's just take a quick indicative peek:
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#18
... The most serious cases of anti-Semitism in 1998 were connected with Holocaust denial.
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#20
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struggle4progress
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#22
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struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#34
Look at the links I've already posted: he ran an antisemitic conference last year, in which he
struggle4progress
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#40
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struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#42
Let's chat about the "Acharya" source Lindtner some more, with reference to my #19, 20, 21, 22, & 23
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#24
It is a fact that Lindtner is a rightwing antisemite whose effort to dejudaicize Jesus
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#29
Feel free to complain upthread to DavidL who at #5 supplied the bullshit "Acharya" pdf,
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#31
You gave us a pdf by "Acharya" who has a BA and no other qualifications and who uncritically cites
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#43
Yes, as I said, you've succesfully google-bombed the hell out of the reputation of that guy.
trotsky
Oct 2012
#39
Citing Gerald Massey is a dead giveaway of the quality of "Acharya's" research
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#50
Let's see any of those claims about the myth of Horus confirmed by a genuine Egyptologist
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#9
Let's see any of those claims about the myth of Moses confirmed by a genuine Egyptologist
cleanhippie
Oct 2012
#11
You're confusing two completely different things: I have no problem whatsoever
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#12
Wait, so if spreading info about Horus is "wandering into crazy territory", the same is true
cleanhippie
Oct 2012
#14
I expect quite a number of visitors to this forum would be interested in careful historical
struggle4progress
Oct 2012
#15