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In reply to the discussion: Coincidence or conspiracy? [View all]

struggle4progress

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12. You're confusing two completely different things: I have no problem whatsoever
Sun Oct 21, 2012, 02:24 AM
Oct 2012

with people who want to take the PoV that stories in the Bible are myth; I do, however, have real problems with people who simply make up bullshit to support their claims that stories in the Bible are myth, just as I have real problems with people who simply make up bullshit to support their claims that stories in the Bible are historical fact

If you want to dispute the historical accuracy of various Biblical stories, that won't bother me at all -- but if you decide to spread bullshit that Horus was traditionally considered to have been born on December 25th, and that the date of Christmas was chosen based on such a date for Horus' birthday, backed by thousands of years of tradition, then you've just wandered into crazy territory: the Romans didn't conquer Egypt until 30BC, and December is a Roman month

The ancient Egyptian calendar was 12*30 + 5 days in length, so drifted about 25 days per century. The calendar used by the Macedonians seems to have been a lunar-solar calendar of 354 days with intercalary months as corrections. The Roman calendar, before the Julian reform, which added the familiar leap day every fourth year, involved 355 day years with intercalary years about 377 days long, but it was about 80 days out of sync with the traditional seasons when Caesar was in Egypt. The probable reason for the choice, of December 25 as the final official date of Christmas, was that it was considered the date of the solstice after the Julian reform

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Coincidence or conspiracy? [View all] cleanhippie Oct 2012 OP
Horus was the first son and Jesus was the second coming Angry Dragon Oct 2012 #1
Some of the same myths get passed on over time Teamster Jeff Oct 2012 #2
Power of the Myth .... lumberingbear Oct 2012 #3
Does anyone have some links where raven42 Oct 2012 #4
Heavily footnoted PDF DavidL Oct 2012 #5
Thanks. raven42 Oct 2012 #6
There's dozens of footnotes and many of them DavidL Oct 2012 #7
"Acharya" is one of the biggest bullshitters imaginable struggle4progress Oct 2012 #10
Do you have any evidence? or DavidL Oct 2012 #16
It's scarcely worth an exhaustive debunking, so let's just take a quick indicative peek: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #18
MAY 28-29, 2011 • AALBORG, DENMARK struggle4progress Oct 2012 #19
... The most serious cases of anti-Semitism in 1998 were connected with Holocaust denial. struggle4progress Oct 2012 #20
Aryan (Encyclopedia Brittanica) struggle4progress Oct 2012 #21
... A large quantity of Danish Holocaust-denial material is apparently disseminated via struggle4progress Oct 2012 #22
Revolt against Civilization: Presentation by Christian Lindtner struggle4progress Oct 2012 #23
Perhaps you need to get up to speed.. please read on DavidL Oct 2012 #33
Lindtner is a rightwing antisemite whose effort to dejudaicize Jesus falls strictly along the lines struggle4progress Oct 2012 #34
So give us some most recent quotes......(which you didn't bother to fully read) DavidL Oct 2012 #37
Look at the links I've already posted: he ran an antisemitic conference last year, in which he struggle4progress Oct 2012 #40
I don't read garbage. You have something to tell me about DavidL Oct 2012 #41
Nazis were strongly encouraged to break any ties with the church, as indicated here: struggle4progress Oct 2012 #42
Nazi's got a "get out of Christianity Free" card, and DavidL Oct 2012 #44
What kind of revisionist history are you attempting to write? trotsky Oct 2012 #45
. struggle4progress Oct 2012 #46
I see you are conceding the point. trotsky Oct 2012 #48
Let's chat about the "Acharya" source Lindtner some more, with reference to my #19, 20, 21, 22, & 23 struggle4progress Oct 2012 #24
Congratulations. You've done a fine job ad hom'ing Lindtner. trotsky Oct 2012 #27
It is a fact that Lindtner is a rightwing antisemite whose effort to dejudaicize Jesus struggle4progress Oct 2012 #29
That's great. We agree his views are despicable. trotsky Oct 2012 #30
Feel free to complain upthread to DavidL who at #5 supplied the bullshit "Acharya" pdf, struggle4progress Oct 2012 #31
Feel free to update your knowledge on just ONE of DavidL Oct 2012 #38
You gave us a pdf by "Acharya" who has a BA and no other qualifications and who uncritically cites struggle4progress Oct 2012 #43
Yes, as I said, you've succesfully google-bombed the hell out of the reputation of that guy. trotsky Oct 2012 #39
Citing Gerald Massey is a dead giveaway of the quality of "Acharya's" research struggle4progress Oct 2012 #50
Neither. Here's one response (sorry, no cartoons). rug Oct 2012 #8
Wow edhopper Oct 2012 #13
Kind of like saying Horus = Jesus. rug Oct 2012 #17
Pointing out how Jesus, and the Bible in general edhopper Oct 2012 #25
There's a lot of overlap im many of them. rug Oct 2012 #26
You mean edhopper Oct 2012 #28
I expect you'd find a lot of similarities in the OT. rug Oct 2012 #32
Bu5t the NT edhopper Oct 2012 #35
So is your typing. rug Oct 2012 #36
True that. edhopper Oct 2012 #47
NP but thank you. rug Oct 2012 #49
Let's see any of those claims about the myth of Horus confirmed by a genuine Egyptologist struggle4progress Oct 2012 #9
Let's see any of those claims about the myth of Moses confirmed by a genuine Egyptologist cleanhippie Oct 2012 #11
You're confusing two completely different things: I have no problem whatsoever struggle4progress Oct 2012 #12
Wait, so if spreading info about Horus is "wandering into crazy territory", the same is true cleanhippie Oct 2012 #14
I expect quite a number of visitors to this forum would be interested in careful historical struggle4progress Oct 2012 #15
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