3 universal truths all religions agree upon:

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67. Scott...For "Christ's Sake" go back and read your comments....

Every single one of your comments on this OP had been insulting to someone and negative. I even apologized for what you incorrectly considered to be "negative, irrational, dismissive, arrogant" comments by me, to try to have a normal conversation. I even thanked you for your replies. I have really made attempts to be civil, as I am with everyone here. I hate having these flame fest quarrels with people. It is completely unnecessary. I'm just trying to discuss and learn.

When I say "irrational," it is part of an argument. I'm not trying to put people down.

I actually spent a considerable amount of time writing a reply that I considered to be pretty effective in explaining my point of view. I lost it due to hitting a wrong key somehow...ugh

I'll summarize the main points:

1.) God is beyond mind. There is no scientific proof for it, but it obviously exists. It is what makes up your existence. Existence is the proof that it exists. It is also obvious that the universe we live in is beyond mind. ie Considering the fact that we know we live in an eternal/infinite universe with mind boggling numbers of balls of rock moving at incredible speeds, that life would exist at all on these planets is amazing: that these incredible biological systems would spring up. Really, considering that brings it home. I consider all our incredible scientific pursuits and "vast" knowledge and see that it really, only strengthens the case for god. Our knowledge is a pathetic little ant compared to what we will never know. We may as well know nothing.

2.) God has no human qualities and is not described in any human cognitive function. This is because God is beyond dualism. The mind can only conceive dualistically. The mind is very limited. It has a limited function, and we subscribe it powers it does not have at all. ie the ability to rationalize existence.

3.) God is experienced, beyond the mind, through states of meditation and through many many other pursuits. When some musicians play there is a state in which it is said the music is playing the musician. It is a state beyond mind. This is an experience of God. There are untold other ways to have this experience but it is not a product of reason or mind. You are never going to be able to take a subjective experience like this and bring it down to rationalize it. An inability to do so doesn't make the experience anything less. But to those who experience this state of "oneness" there is no other proof needed. God is an experienced truth not a scientific truth.

4.) The word god, like i said before, is extremely poor for this discussion because it is challenging to get past preconceived notions of what the word means.

5.) There is an abundance of evidence to support all this but you are probably not really that interested, so I'll leave it at that.

Thanks for our conversation. Have a pleasant day.