2016 Postmortem

cali

(114,904 posts) Thu Feb 4, 2016, 09:42 AM Feb 2016

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It's amazing. Even with almost all the dem heavy hitters running interference for [View all]

her, all the big time MSM endorsements, the biggest political machine in the country, Hillary is still having trouble convincing a large chunk of dems to support her.

She should have blown Bernie out of the water in Iowa. Period. She's "whiter" than he, a Brooklyn born Jew, is. And she's a native of neighboring state.

If she's having this much trouble now, imagine the general election. No candidate for president with upside down unfavorable ratings has ever prevailed. There are more independents than democrats, and they don't like her. She will inspire record republican turnout.

It's insanity.

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It's amazing. Even with almost all the dem heavy hitters running interference for [View all] cali Feb 2016 OP

You left out the worst one. With all of the Big Money donations, she owes a yuuuuge quid pro quo Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #1

I left out a lot. cali Feb 2016 #4

Hillary's standing is the wet dream of all other candidates. Hortensis Feb 2016 #17

Yes, there is a reason why this has happened: George II Feb 2016 #24

Didn't realize Hillary was "Most Admired Woman" 20 times. Hortensis Feb 2016 #28

Most Well Known Woman in the World is closer to the truth. frylock Feb 2016 #57

There's not much competition, if we are going to be honest ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #66

Agree 100% tecelote Feb 2016 #145

Because American blood isn't meant to be shed for defense, but VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #153

More apt Marty McGraw Feb 2016 #112

As Sec of State (on our dime) she was lobbying the governments of other countries on behalf of rhett o rick Feb 2016 #132

this is scarcely cited & stellanoir Feb 2016 #148

How many other women are as well known? zalinda Feb 2016 #31

Our nation alone has many admirable progressive women Hortensis Feb 2016 #44

True, but they have not been known for 25 years and wrote a book. eom zalinda Feb 2016 #59

Hillary is not one of them I'm 69...she is not a progressive! bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #89

That's not a matter of "opinion" or "faith," Hortensis Feb 2016 #97

That's your opinion but not mine. She told the truth of who she was bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #101

No, it is not my opinion. It is the knowledgeable Hortensis Feb 2016 #105

I think "neoliberal" is the more accurate term. Ron Green Feb 2016 #102

Ron, probably 80% of the nation no longer Hortensis Feb 2016 #106

I use it in its post-1980 sense, and if not a slur it's certainly Ron Green Feb 2016 #108

Clintonian corporate hegemony, with due respect only... Hortensis Feb 2016 #111

You said all that, not I. Ron Green Feb 2016 #113

You simply believe you can run with the giant Koch network Hortensis Feb 2016 #126

Name some issues she is progressive on. Not foreign policy (supports wars), not keeping Wall Street rhett o rick Feb 2016 #133

Rhett, there are DOZENS on her site. Hortensis Feb 2016 #136

named the most-admired woman for the 20th time with 13 percent DaveT Feb 2016 #120

Did you see what I responded to? George II Feb 2016 #121

You have a point there about DaveT Feb 2016 #129

Who voted?? nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #157

What happens when the name recognition is negative? Fuddnik Feb 2016 #27

Bingo! Punkingal Feb 2016 #35

Exactly! Duval Feb 2016 #69

yep - double edged sword Locrian Feb 2016 #147

That's kind of the point.... daleanime Feb 2016 #39

but but but she's the first woman to win in Iowa! Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #79

"Why do you guys post and flame over things everyone knows are untrue? Expression of anxiety?" Plucketeer Feb 2016 #45

You got that right newfie11 Feb 2016 #6

But not as badly shafted as with a Trump or Cruz manning the helm. Adults must KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #10

I really am fucking tired of being forced to... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #13

I understand your frustration. But please stop and consider that a President Trump (who KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #14

Jimmy Carter went on TV and said he'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #53

All due respect -- MASSIVE RESPECT -- to President Carter, it's a bit KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #65

I think Carter is on to something. Ligyron Feb 2016 #67

Jimmy, being a true Christian (for what that's worth to many of us) should know maddiemom Feb 2016 #78

Yer right: she may be status quo, but at least she's not going backwards. Beartracks Feb 2016 #144

Unless Sanders is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, you will ALWAYS vote for the lesser of 2 evils. randome Feb 2016 #25

He is much closer to what Jesus preaches than she is. eom zalinda Feb 2016 #34

You bet! Plucketeer Feb 2016 #52

Hm...not sure what you even mean by that... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #61

Ever heard of the Golden Rule well Bernie has....not Hillary. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #92

Not the lesser of two evils. Meh vs evil. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #63

This is very sage analysis and advice and really deserves to be its own OP, in my opinion. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #71

Yes! I agree completely. This analysis needs to go viral. maddiemom Feb 2016 #85

good post. recommended. navarth Feb 2016 #118

Great post! As much as I dislike HRC I will vote dae Feb 2016 #123

No, none of that money affects her, and sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #150

Her support is all on the facade that she's the most electable. morningfog Feb 2016 #2

Among young people. JudyM Feb 2016 #7

Yes: our voices count too. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #43

Don't ask questions you won't like the answers to... nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #54

We've disappeared down the black hole of an oligarchy ! raindaddy Feb 2016 #55

They simply don't give a sh#t in all truth azurnoir Feb 2016 #82

That slogan brought out amazing results in 2014, did it not? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #86

really amazing results maybe this time will different azurnoir Feb 2016 #87

There is a Dutch saying: "an ass doesn't stumble over the same stone twice" ... Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #88

seems like it azurnoir Feb 2016 #91

And so my point: it's a problem that social is as demographically limited as it is. JudyM Feb 2016 #107

I'm long past young... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #128

43% of Iowa Dem caucusers self-identified as socialist. Insanity is thinking that the fact that DanTex Feb 2016 #3

Always question these kind of statistics! HenryWallace Feb 2016 #16

The 43% statistic comes from the poll commissioned by the Des Moines Register pnwmom Feb 2016 #122

His 49% of the vote likely captured all 43% of those polled who favor socialism. GO BERNIE! n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #130

People are sick and tired of Hillary & her bullshit pinebox Feb 2016 #5

Thank you. I've been trying to say this since last night. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #95

You're welcome pinebox Feb 2016 #96

I'm sick and tired of all of Third Way - Hillary is just the current figurehead of the wider problem Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #158

Check the Super Tuesday polls. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #8

Yup. apnu Feb 2016 #110

Good idea... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #146

"Super Tuesday" doesn't matter. Dawgs Feb 2016 #151

She's Adlai Stevenson, v 2.0 (minus the liberalism and without the sense of humor) - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #9

I actually remember Adlai Stevenson. Not well, since MineralMan Feb 2016 #19

Yeah, I know my analogy is only telling half the story (or less). My folks were big KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #23

As a much-respected General in WWII, Ike was a natural MineralMan Feb 2016 #32

Why do you think Stevenson sought the nomination again in 1956? Granted, Ike's first term KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #37

I was 11 years old for the 1956 election, and was already MineralMan Feb 2016 #42

Thanks so much for these reminiscences - they help bridge the past to the future. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #64

My mom went door to door for Stevenson in the LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #93

Good for your Mom! MineralMan Feb 2016 #94

Adlai was against the use of nuclear weapons. Didn't Clinton say that she would bomb Iran rhett o rick Feb 2016 #134

Reminds me of this... TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #11

It's like they UglyGreed Feb 2016 #12

K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #15

More than likely Hillary will not be the next President if she is the nominee.... andrewv1 Feb 2016 #18

don't agree... lame54 Feb 2016 #20

Well, "Dream On" andrewv1 Feb 2016 #26

this is the season of never-been-dones lame54 Feb 2016 #29

I am one who views her negatively Gore1FL Feb 2016 #139

And yet in every state that has been polled other than Sanders' home state and its neighbor..... George II Feb 2016 #21

Apparently you are not looking @ the GE Polling.... andrewv1 Feb 2016 #30

Sanders needs to defeat Clinton first George II Feb 2016 #58

I'm not saying they are, but if the polls saying Sanders will beat the Republican Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2016 #125

Yeah I love some SheenaR Feb 2016 #62

What do you consider "a large chunk?" MineralMan Feb 2016 #22

I guess Bernie should be winning treestar Feb 2016 #33

Well considering Hillary won and only by so little liberalnarb Feb 2016 #38

Actually, I would bet Bernie won the popular vote in Iowa. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #149

"Clinton Fatigue" is like "Bush Fatigue" andrewv1 Feb 2016 #40

How do you plan on proving the voters of the GE don't like Hillary merely because treestar Feb 2016 #48

Yes. cali Feb 2016 #49

Uh, only one state has voted and so far it was a tie. Dawgs Feb 2016 #152

I must say...... serbbral Feb 2016 #36

Which is why ... KPN Feb 2016 #41

I have no doubts Bernie can win the GE.... andrewv1 Feb 2016 #47

And the Money, and the ~ 60% lead blown Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #46

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #50

Yes, it's odd that Illinois Hillary didn't get the 'neighbour boost' in Iowa that everyone says is Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #51

She's a straight-up midwesterner from Illinois, born and bred. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #56

Thanks, fixed my post. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #60

She was on the board of Wal-Mart when she was First Lady of Arkansas. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #74

And a former Republican, which btw, she still is one... andrewv1 Feb 2016 #68

I hope your reasoning holds up. leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #70

K&R! nt Duval Feb 2016 #72

I've noticed Huffpo is batting for her PatrynXX Feb 2016 #73

The population and ratios on this web site do not mirror the outside world... sorry. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #75

we will see... but negative sentiment ratings for her do not bode well Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #77

Nurse Jackie Good Morning. I wonder if you and your fellow supporters of bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #99

and she does have more money overall, doesn't she? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #76

She has 10 mil more cash on hand Paulie Feb 2016 #155

+100000000000 SoapBox Feb 2016 #80

No matter how many endorsements Hillary Clinton gets democrank Feb 2016 #81

Wall St cannot be allowed to lose. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #83

The way she jumped up to 6 in the polls and Bernie is - bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #84

Obama brought in Independents in the 2008 GE andrewv1 Feb 2016 #90

I have a Facebook "friend" I finally had LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #98

I blocked one (not really a friend) on FB who put up a disgusting bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #100

Wrong but nice try. workinclasszero Feb 2016 #103

It doesn't prove anything. It's one state and it's IA bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #104

Yes! But if she prevails in the primary, we will all enthusiastically vote for her! Meanwhile, Akamai Feb 2016 #109

I'm not sure who the "we" is you are talking about. malokvale77 Feb 2016 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #114

Precisely, because we are at a "dangerous moment" as Goldman Sachs reminds us, the stakes at mother earth Feb 2016 #115

Grinding of teeth PATRICK Feb 2016 #116

That's because many, many Democrats have woken up, smelled the coffee and realized that . . . Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #117

Hillary may squeak by in the general election, but we'll definitely be toast down ticket. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #119

a greatpoint and to be said loud and often SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #124

You're making a lot of assumptions solely based on Iowa and NH. Metric System Feb 2016 #127

Oh, well, not so much - OhZone Feb 2016 #135

superdelegates mean nothing right now Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #137

She's way ahead in superdelegates AND predictwise still has her as the odds on favorite OhZone Feb 2016 #138

gosh when you put it that way debbie downer Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #140

Naw, cause Bernie would be destroyed in the General. OhZone Feb 2016 #159

Camp weathervain is flailing right now. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #141

Because people are tired of the system. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #142

What's amazing is that she still won Iowa. Look at Jebster: barely hanging on. ucrdem Feb 2016 #143

Uh, she was up 40 points in Iowa just 4 months ago. Dawgs Feb 2016 #156

K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations but it should have more! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #154