2016 Postmortem

azurnoir

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87. really amazing results maybe this time will different

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It's amazing. Even with almost all the dem heavy hitters running interference for [View all] cali Feb 2016 OP

You left out the worst one. With all of the Big Money donations, she owes a yuuuuge quid pro quo Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #1

I left out a lot. cali Feb 2016 #4

Hillary's standing is the wet dream of all other candidates. Hortensis Feb 2016 #17

Yes, there is a reason why this has happened: George II Feb 2016 #24

Didn't realize Hillary was "Most Admired Woman" 20 times. Hortensis Feb 2016 #28

Most Well Known Woman in the World is closer to the truth. frylock Feb 2016 #57

There's not much competition, if we are going to be honest ErisDiscordia Feb 2016 #66

Agree 100% tecelote Feb 2016 #145

Because American blood isn't meant to be shed for defense, but VulgarPoet Feb 2016 #153

More apt Marty McGraw Feb 2016 #112

As Sec of State (on our dime) she was lobbying the governments of other countries on behalf of rhett o rick Feb 2016 #132

this is scarcely cited & stellanoir Feb 2016 #148

How many other women are as well known? zalinda Feb 2016 #31

Our nation alone has many admirable progressive women Hortensis Feb 2016 #44

True, but they have not been known for 25 years and wrote a book. eom zalinda Feb 2016 #59

Hillary is not one of them I'm 69...she is not a progressive! bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #89

That's not a matter of "opinion" or "faith," Hortensis Feb 2016 #97

That's your opinion but not mine. She told the truth of who she was bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #101

No, it is not my opinion. It is the knowledgeable Hortensis Feb 2016 #105

I think "neoliberal" is the more accurate term. Ron Green Feb 2016 #102

Ron, probably 80% of the nation no longer Hortensis Feb 2016 #106

I use it in its post-1980 sense, and if not a slur it's certainly Ron Green Feb 2016 #108

Clintonian corporate hegemony, with due respect only... Hortensis Feb 2016 #111

You said all that, not I. Ron Green Feb 2016 #113

You simply believe you can run with the giant Koch network Hortensis Feb 2016 #126

Name some issues she is progressive on. Not foreign policy (supports wars), not keeping Wall Street rhett o rick Feb 2016 #133

Rhett, there are DOZENS on her site. Hortensis Feb 2016 #136

named the most-admired woman for the 20th time with 13 percent DaveT Feb 2016 #120

Did you see what I responded to? George II Feb 2016 #121

You have a point there about DaveT Feb 2016 #129

Who voted?? nt. polly7 Feb 2016 #157

What happens when the name recognition is negative? Fuddnik Feb 2016 #27

Bingo! Punkingal Feb 2016 #35

Exactly! Duval Feb 2016 #69

yep - double edged sword Locrian Feb 2016 #147

That's kind of the point.... daleanime Feb 2016 #39

but but but she's the first woman to win in Iowa! Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #79

"Why do you guys post and flame over things everyone knows are untrue? Expression of anxiety?" Plucketeer Feb 2016 #45

You got that right newfie11 Feb 2016 #6

But not as badly shafted as with a Trump or Cruz manning the helm. Adults must KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #10

I really am fucking tired of being forced to... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #13

I understand your frustration. But please stop and consider that a President Trump (who KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #14

Jimmy Carter went on TV and said he'd rather have Trump than Cruz. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #53

All due respect -- MASSIVE RESPECT -- to President Carter, it's a bit KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #65

I think Carter is on to something. Ligyron Feb 2016 #67

Jimmy, being a true Christian (for what that's worth to many of us) should know maddiemom Feb 2016 #78

Yer right: she may be status quo, but at least she's not going backwards. Beartracks Feb 2016 #144

Unless Sanders is the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, you will ALWAYS vote for the lesser of 2 evils. randome Feb 2016 #25

He is much closer to what Jesus preaches than she is. eom zalinda Feb 2016 #34

You bet! Plucketeer Feb 2016 #52

Hm...not sure what you even mean by that... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #61

Ever heard of the Golden Rule well Bernie has....not Hillary. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #92

Not the lesser of two evils. Meh vs evil. mikehiggins Feb 2016 #63

This is very sage analysis and advice and really deserves to be its own OP, in my opinion. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #71

Yes! I agree completely. This analysis needs to go viral. maddiemom Feb 2016 #85

good post. recommended. navarth Feb 2016 #118

Great post! As much as I dislike HRC I will vote dae Feb 2016 #123

No, none of that money affects her, and sulphurdunn Feb 2016 #150

Her support is all on the facade that she's the most electable. morningfog Feb 2016 #2

Among young people. JudyM Feb 2016 #7

Yes: our voices count too. Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #43

Don't ask questions you won't like the answers to... nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #54

We've disappeared down the black hole of an oligarchy ! raindaddy Feb 2016 #55

They simply don't give a sh#t in all truth azurnoir Feb 2016 #82

That slogan brought out amazing results in 2014, did it not? Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #86

really amazing results maybe this time will different azurnoir Feb 2016 #87

There is a Dutch saying: "an ass doesn't stumble over the same stone twice" ... Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #88

seems like it azurnoir Feb 2016 #91

And so my point: it's a problem that social is as demographically limited as it is. JudyM Feb 2016 #107

I'm long past young... malokvale77 Feb 2016 #128

43% of Iowa Dem caucusers self-identified as socialist. Insanity is thinking that the fact that DanTex Feb 2016 #3

Always question these kind of statistics! HenryWallace Feb 2016 #16

The 43% statistic comes from the poll commissioned by the Des Moines Register pnwmom Feb 2016 #122

His 49% of the vote likely captured all 43% of those polled who favor socialism. GO BERNIE! n/t JimDandy Feb 2016 #130

People are sick and tired of Hillary & her bullshit pinebox Feb 2016 #5

Thank you. I've been trying to say this since last night. bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #95

You're welcome pinebox Feb 2016 #96

I'm sick and tired of all of Third Way - Hillary is just the current figurehead of the wider problem Betty Karlson Feb 2016 #158

Check the Super Tuesday polls. JaneyVee Feb 2016 #8

Yup. apnu Feb 2016 #110

Good idea... MrMickeysMom Feb 2016 #146

"Super Tuesday" doesn't matter. Dawgs Feb 2016 #151

She's Adlai Stevenson, v 2.0 (minus the liberalism and without the sense of humor) - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #9

I actually remember Adlai Stevenson. Not well, since MineralMan Feb 2016 #19

Yeah, I know my analogy is only telling half the story (or less). My folks were big KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #23

As a much-respected General in WWII, Ike was a natural MineralMan Feb 2016 #32

Why do you think Stevenson sought the nomination again in 1956? Granted, Ike's first term KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #37

I was 11 years old for the 1956 election, and was already MineralMan Feb 2016 #42

Thanks so much for these reminiscences - they help bridge the past to the future. - nt KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #64

My mom went door to door for Stevenson in the LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #93

Good for your Mom! MineralMan Feb 2016 #94

Adlai was against the use of nuclear weapons. Didn't Clinton say that she would bomb Iran rhett o rick Feb 2016 #134

Reminds me of this... TheBlackAdder Feb 2016 #11

It's like they UglyGreed Feb 2016 #12

K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #15

More than likely Hillary will not be the next President if she is the nominee.... andrewv1 Feb 2016 #18

don't agree... lame54 Feb 2016 #20

Well, "Dream On" andrewv1 Feb 2016 #26

this is the season of never-been-dones lame54 Feb 2016 #29

I am one who views her negatively Gore1FL Feb 2016 #139

And yet in every state that has been polled other than Sanders' home state and its neighbor..... George II Feb 2016 #21

Apparently you are not looking @ the GE Polling.... andrewv1 Feb 2016 #30

Sanders needs to defeat Clinton first George II Feb 2016 #58

I'm not saying they are, but if the polls saying Sanders will beat the Republican Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2016 #125

Yeah I love some SheenaR Feb 2016 #62

What do you consider "a large chunk?" MineralMan Feb 2016 #22

I guess Bernie should be winning treestar Feb 2016 #33

Well considering Hillary won and only by so little liberalnarb Feb 2016 #38

Actually, I would bet Bernie won the popular vote in Iowa. Admiral Loinpresser Feb 2016 #149

"Clinton Fatigue" is like "Bush Fatigue" andrewv1 Feb 2016 #40

How do you plan on proving the voters of the GE don't like Hillary merely because treestar Feb 2016 #48

Yes. cali Feb 2016 #49

Uh, only one state has voted and so far it was a tie. Dawgs Feb 2016 #152

I must say...... serbbral Feb 2016 #36

Which is why ... KPN Feb 2016 #41

I have no doubts Bernie can win the GE.... andrewv1 Feb 2016 #47

And the Money, and the ~ 60% lead blown Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #46

HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Feb 2016 #50

Yes, it's odd that Illinois Hillary didn't get the 'neighbour boost' in Iowa that everyone says is Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #51

She's a straight-up midwesterner from Illinois, born and bred. TwilightGardener Feb 2016 #56

Thanks, fixed my post. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Feb 2016 #60

She was on the board of Wal-Mart when she was First Lady of Arkansas. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2016 #74

And a former Republican, which btw, she still is one... andrewv1 Feb 2016 #68

I hope your reasoning holds up. leftcoastmountains Feb 2016 #70

K&R! nt Duval Feb 2016 #72

I've noticed Huffpo is batting for her PatrynXX Feb 2016 #73

The population and ratios on this web site do not mirror the outside world... sorry. NurseJackie Feb 2016 #75

we will see... but negative sentiment ratings for her do not bode well Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #77

Nurse Jackie Good Morning. I wonder if you and your fellow supporters of bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #99

and she does have more money overall, doesn't she? Fast Walker 52 Feb 2016 #76

She has 10 mil more cash on hand Paulie Feb 2016 #155

+100000000000 SoapBox Feb 2016 #80

No matter how many endorsements Hillary Clinton gets democrank Feb 2016 #81

Wall St cannot be allowed to lose. raouldukelives Feb 2016 #83

The way she jumped up to 6 in the polls and Bernie is - bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #84

Obama brought in Independents in the 2008 GE andrewv1 Feb 2016 #90

I have a Facebook "friend" I finally had LibDemAlways Feb 2016 #98

I blocked one (not really a friend) on FB who put up a disgusting bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #100

Wrong but nice try. workinclasszero Feb 2016 #103

It doesn't prove anything. It's one state and it's IA bkkyosemite Feb 2016 #104

Yes! But if she prevails in the primary, we will all enthusiastically vote for her! Meanwhile, Akamai Feb 2016 #109

I'm not sure who the "we" is you are talking about. malokvale77 Feb 2016 #131

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #114

Precisely, because we are at a "dangerous moment" as Goldman Sachs reminds us, the stakes at mother earth Feb 2016 #115

Grinding of teeth PATRICK Feb 2016 #116

That's because many, many Democrats have woken up, smelled the coffee and realized that . . . Jack Rabbit Feb 2016 #117

Hillary may squeak by in the general election, but we'll definitely be toast down ticket. TIME TO PANIC Feb 2016 #119

a greatpoint and to be said loud and often SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #124

You're making a lot of assumptions solely based on Iowa and NH. Metric System Feb 2016 #127

Oh, well, not so much - OhZone Feb 2016 #135

superdelegates mean nothing right now Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #137

She's way ahead in superdelegates AND predictwise still has her as the odds on favorite OhZone Feb 2016 #138

gosh when you put it that way debbie downer Iggy Knorr Feb 2016 #140

Naw, cause Bernie would be destroyed in the General. OhZone Feb 2016 #159

Camp weathervain is flailing right now. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2016 #141

Because people are tired of the system. OrwellwasRight Feb 2016 #142

What's amazing is that she still won Iowa. Look at Jebster: barely hanging on. ucrdem Feb 2016 #143

Uh, she was up 40 points in Iowa just 4 months ago. Dawgs Feb 2016 #156

K&R! This post has hundreds of recommendations but it should have more! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #154