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2016 Postmortem

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Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:41 PM Feb 2016

Who would ever want to ask our young people to scale back their dreams and goals? [View all]

...politicians like Clinton are schooling young people to expect less and ask for less. It's a campaign - inspire people, especially young people, who will have to deal with the mess once we middle-aged and older people have passed on. What will we leave for them??? So glad that Sanders is putting these perspectives into the political conversation, and it's up to us to turn it into policy!!...
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IMO Bernie's approach gives them the opportunity to fight for idealistic things, Clinton's Me my banks and I approach would discourage fighting for or dreaming of a future they want, a future they need, telling us instead to rely on her and others like her to compromise away the fight in favor of "getting things done"
One can only assume by finding common ground with a John Birch Society/near fascistic Republican party, something she claims only she can do.

If her Mentors Bill Clinton, and Henry Kissinger are any indication of how she would "get things done" it would not only mean giving up on fighting and dreaming of a better, more equitable future, it would mean compromises that favor the wealthy, cut funding for the needy (and likely encourage more profit from college dept), more private prisons and more quotas to fill them, and more free trade that represents corporate interests that will send more jobs overseas leaving our youth nothing but service jobs at a min wage where she would begin negotiations at $12/hr and "compromise" on something less. Those compromises represent the Bill Clinton Mentorship.

The values she learned from her good friend and mentor Henry Kissinger will leave our young people another option to min wage jobs, a career in the military as she will continue along the path (one of her only consistent paths) to fight in wars sometimes preemptively as per her faith in the Bush Doctrine, as well as engaging in regime change across the world including but not limited to overthrowing Democratically elected leaders in favor of any blood-thirsty warlord that will agree to allow US corporate interests to thrive, let's call that the Kissinger doctrine (or what he calls a pragmatic use of our military might to help further our country's interests

They (the younger generation) deserve a chance to fight rather than have no power as the chosen establishment pieces move about the board compromising away their hopes, dreams, and futures.

I want them to have the chance that we did when we fought the good fight and achieved some of our liberal goals. They decided (our party in the eighties, culminating in '92) that there would no longer be a party to fight with the idealistic youth for things like labor rights, The New Deal, The Great Society, Civil Liberties, Equality for Women and the last attempted fight that died on the vine, the fight against poverty that was abandoned in favor of a fight against the poor via welfare reform.

They deserve to fight for these things as we did, not because they are easy, but because they are necessary to their survival.

They deserve more than the smell of sulfur that summons forth a demon of lesser evil that says "no you can't!" - "I will compromise away your fight for you so you may have the crumbs my corporate sponsors allow you to have."

They deserve the right to fight as well as leadership that will help rather than hinder that fight.
We all had that (us older folk) but took it for granted. They have only had dismissal and the lack of support offered by Vichy Republican collaborators.

Let us help them elect someone (many ones) that will allow them to fight.
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BIG K&R SHRED Feb 2016 #1
Thanks! I write very few OPs, largely because few ever read them, I appreciate your K&R /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #30
I read them noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #52
Thanks brother / or Sister (sorry I don't know which so as to properly address you) Dragonfli Feb 2016 #61
Glad I could help noretreatnosurrender Feb 2016 #64
I can give you this in reply Dragonfli Feb 2016 #65
Not I. LWolf Feb 2016 #2
And we shall! We are legion, there are those that would divide the 99%, if they can't we win. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #29
''We have more will than wallet.'' Octafish Feb 2016 #3
Damn right we do! Especially if we get together rather than falling for the tactics Dragonfli Feb 2016 #8
Me, my banks and I tk2kewl Feb 2016 #4
Not mine, I have seen it used around the board but can not recollect who first started it /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #6
Inspiration instead of dismissiveness Paulie Feb 2016 #5
He also knew the map and the key to getting it done, if only he had not been assasinated Dragonfli Feb 2016 #9
Rec & Kick. MerryBlooms Feb 2016 #7
At what point does a rational discussion of obstacles to goals enter the picture? stevenleser Feb 2016 #10
The biggest obstacle of all is a self determined defeatism, a lack to even fight but to concede. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #11
Thanks for the Berniebros response of attacking folks whose inconvenient truths you don't like stevenleser Feb 2016 #12
You are missing a big point. PyaarRevolution Feb 2016 #72
What do we do... LAS14 Feb 2016 #27
Dreaming the obstacle away treestar Feb 2016 #33
I find this position really weird. Meldread Feb 2016 #13
If you have ever listened to Bernie speak you would realize he knows he can't do it alone Dragonfli Feb 2016 #16
Remove the last word from your subject and you will have it right. nt stevenleser Feb 2016 #17
I proudly stand with Steven Leser v2.0.08, that dude was a keen judge of character Fumesucker Feb 2016 #34
I remember him, he helped me learn just how corrupt and untrustworthy a certain Clinton was Dragonfli Feb 2016 #41
"I'm willing to rip the Democratic Party to shreds" - TBF Feb 2016 #73
Woohoo.... haikugal Feb 2016 #74
People who don't want those young people upset with the Democratic Party, that who CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #14
Be prepared to be attacked for bringing up real world obstacles and likely results stevenleser Feb 2016 #15
Old Chinese saying.... CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #19
You ignore the fact that Sanders has the better chance to win the GE via young voters Dragonfli Feb 2016 #20
"Scale back" no. Just put on hold. oasis Feb 2016 #18
Well, then we better resolve our corporate vs progressive differences and make sure Sanders wins Dragonfli Feb 2016 #21
Scalia's death changes everything. oasis Feb 2016 #23
I have been awake the whole time, I am sure Obama will nominate a proper justice. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #25
Making decisions based upon fear rarely leads to favorable results. frylock Feb 2016 #38
Yeah? We knew we'd be replacing justices. In what way is anything changed beyond granting Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #22
Urgency. Scalia's death is a wake up call. There will be oasis Feb 2016 #24
We have a sitting president who is more than capable of making a sound choice. frylock Feb 2016 #40
No SCOTUS appointment. I don't care how capable he is. oasis Feb 2016 #42
Are you saying that Obama can't appoint a new SCJ? frylock Feb 2016 #44
No lifetime justices will get a senate vote during the remainder oasis Feb 2016 #45
I find your lack of faith... disturbing. frylock Feb 2016 #46
"There was no harm to humans in the making of this reply" oasis Feb 2016 #47
Put on hold for another 40 years. jeff47 Feb 2016 #76
Dream crushers in need of cannon fodder. PowerToThePeople Feb 2016 #26
Very succinct yet very true. /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #28
kicking /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #31
Dreams alone are not enough treestar Feb 2016 #32
This is a political revolution and he is already convincing millions, perhaps you have Dragonfli Feb 2016 #37
It's not going to convince other people just to have Bernie say that treestar Feb 2016 #43
My poor deaf brother or sister/ they already are convinced Dragonfli Feb 2016 #50
it's dreams PLUS a solid set of concrete plans for implementing them; Bernie has provided LOTS of de amborin Feb 2016 #63
K&R I'm with you 100% LongTomH Feb 2016 #35
Thanks Tom, it is well past time to start making gains again, Only one candidate is offering to help Dragonfli Feb 2016 #48
. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #49
Someone who is comfortable or even well off with the status quo of course Fumesucker Feb 2016 #36
Perhaps even someone getting even further enriched every day by the status as well /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #39
Do you have a link to where she asked young people to scale back? Hoyt Feb 2016 #51
She implies it every time she speaks Dragonfli Feb 2016 #54
Why, because she doesn't promise folks a $22,000 raise, no inflation, "free Healthcare, free Hoyt Feb 2016 #56
No because she is doing what the title of my op SAYS. Look, I know you favor the right side of the Dragonfli Feb 2016 #58
So you have no link to what you said. Yeah, I have my mind made up. Like you don't. Hoyt Feb 2016 #60
Well at least you got the last word in , oh shit, I fucked that up for you Dragonfli Feb 2016 #62
Is this a trick question? SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #53
No rather a rhetorical one based on a DUer's observation and commentary on the following article Dragonfli Feb 2016 #55
Someone raking in hundreds of millions of dollars from the current power structure? AzDar Feb 2016 #57
Someone just won a stuffed animal at the carnival! Dragonfli Feb 2016 #59
They want our children to just give up and accept that they are the first generation not expected liberal_at_heart Feb 2016 #66
knr and slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #67
Thank you! Dragonfli Feb 2016 #68
The millennials are involved and will make a strong showing IF they are inspired ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #69
Could be better, serious health problems - deep, make that really deep in poverty. Dragonfli Feb 2016 #70
She is adorable and I hope an inspiration to get you moving ... slipslidingaway Feb 2016 #71
Thank you so much for this OP haikugal Feb 2016 #75
K&R! I apologize for missing this excellent post. Enthusiast Feb 2016 #77
Thank You! Your Opinion means a great deal to me and well, you are just so, enthusiastic!!! /nt Dragonfli Feb 2016 #78
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