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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: The "PoC don't support Bernie because they don't know him" claim is actually true [View all]EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)169. I know very well what state Tammy Baldwin comes from
It was a typo. But if you want to obsess over that, so be it.
Moreover, I did not claim that Tammy Baldwin "supports a black political agenda more than Sanders." First of all, I wasn't asked that - I was asked to name some current members of Congress who have been a "presence in the [civil rights] arena" and I did. And second, I have no idea what a "black political agenda" - that is a term YOU introduced into the discussion but it is not one I've ever used.
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The "PoC don't support Bernie because they don't know him" claim is actually true [View all]
EffieBlack
Mar 2016
OP
Yeah. I can get behind that. I've been saying he needs to reach out for the past month.
VulgarPoet
Mar 2016
#1
Two-Way Street, Comfortable with the racist they know versus the non-racist they don't know.
TheBlackAdder
Mar 2016
#61
not to mention all of the lies and distortions coming from the Clinton campaign and her supporters.
Vattel
Mar 2016
#7
.5% of Hillary's net worth equaling a bribe to her is an absurd distortion. The distortions have
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#14
Blacks AND Hispanics aren't ignorant... it's not just blacks... it's women also... If Sanders had a
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#33
Didn't SP fail in VT? I mean that kind of track record of his leadership getting results not just...
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#89
Promised to continue Obama's legacy while Sanders has called OPENLY for a "course corection" this ha
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#74
Bernie has RIGHTLY called for a course correction...and hillary has adopted most of his positions.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#91
Course correction AWAY from Obama, that was the question posed to him and that has been his retoric
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#96
The Sanders should have the strength of his convictions to say the same thing RIGHT NOW
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#115
~80% of his promises passed, that's his legacy. Sanders should show the same position as this questi
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#98
No, she'll carry on what he's started and seeing the overly obstructionist GOP congress who
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#104
wow... So there's nothing of note Obama has done? This sounds like Sanders tract on a small scale
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#112
Yes, away from the course that he inherited. Now my question, you think there's NOTHING of note that
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#116
It's a new model for Bernie and he doesn't have the connections to call people in the community
EffieBlack
Mar 2016
#40
Did you forget that the Clintons connection building started more than 25 yrs. ago?
loyalsister
Mar 2016
#51
Few if any are claiming this, Sanders not being known is what is a common thread and as the OP
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#16
As someone who wants to continue what Obama started, the same can't be said about Sanders and
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#28
Maybe he actually has some sincere interest in representing people who are economically oppressed?
loyalsister
Mar 2016
#43
Obama didn't bail out the banks, Obama didn't have FDR's or LBJ's congress either and what he did
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#71
yeap, they have a strong emotional bond with Sanders, I can see that being part of the problem
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#88
Saying only other people and cooproations have benefitted from Obama's agenda is NOT giving credit
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#103
DU has a video today about the relationship Hillary has developed with the AA community
freedom fighter jh
Mar 2016
#63
This is not true, if I need something I go get it... few PoC know what is needed from Sanders..
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#20
That would be the case if PoC needed Sanders right now, that's not the case. Sanders has NOT shown
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#18
I do, I don't think Sanders has an empirical way to fix it though not enough to take a chance on
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#72
Wow ... I don't think they are even listening to themselves, anymore ...
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2016
#77
I think your are spot on. It was a big tatical mistake to peel away from an FDR and JKF level
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#79
That too, if he'd join the DNC a year before he ran maybe it would be more authentic but this
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#90
LOL ... Really? When has that EVER been the basis of a campaign? LOL. eom.
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2016
#73
How many candidates have YOU sought out to inform yourself on their position ...
1StrongBlackMan
Mar 2016
#134
I was always under the impression that it was the job of the candidate ...
etherealtruth
Mar 2016
#173
This is fair, if Sanders had been TRULY leading revolutions in the past and shown results there are
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#11
And he would have more support from the people who work with him daily if he actually was "fighting"
Jitter65
Mar 2016
#21
I agree he's catching on, but many prodded him to start earlier in places he was NOT known but he
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#30
Then it would be authentic for Sanders to constantly states this vs seemingly running from statement
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#36
Most dems think Obama has started a good thing, not something to be corrected FROM. Its like
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#39
No, I saw the interview and I've heard his critique of Obama over the years. He wanted to peel away
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#81
No, the question by Chris Hayes was pointed and the critique of Sanders has been constant until now
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#105
Hayes asked would you continue Obama's legacy, Sanders said no... that has A LOT to do with Obama
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#114
The record might be there but the result sure arent. if his leadership had been there during the ACA
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#32
No, Nancy Pelosi did not. There was a bit of support in congress for the public option.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#66
She's a part of congress, the claim is if people wanted his leadership would be there but
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#68
Bernie didn't favor the public option. He said from the begining that he was a single-payer guy.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#82
I agree, he favored the public option but favoring something isn't the end of the matter with his
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#84
His campaign isn't focusing on amendments but revolutionary passing of huge bills passed congress
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#101
And yet she's STILL never had to deal with an entrenched republic congress. Sorry, no dice.
Bubzer
Mar 2016
#107
Hillary isn't calling for revolution inside her own party either, if the course is stayed and theres
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#111
My understanding is Sanders would galvanize voters to march, call and implement some other actions
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#153
Elizabeth Warren is already well known in the civil rights community for her work
EffieBlack
Mar 2016
#45
Yes, because Warren pursued policy that was actually realistic in a polarized country.
Trust Buster
Mar 2016
#58
Then that's the problem, people SHOULD be saying he is a well known force and have results to show
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#78
PoC don't blame Obama though, that's the big disconnect between Sanders and most PoC when
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#126
Calling him weak isn't warranted, calling him rightward isn't warranted either and then telling the
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#155
It's some of each - AAs who know him like Bernie. But that's still not enough.
thesquanderer
Mar 2016
#64
The hard work of continuing Obama's legacy vs calling for a course correction from an FDRJFK level
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#93
They should vote their conscience, but don't act like she's done so much and then say Bernie hasn't
onecaliberal
Mar 2016
#140
Second - no, not only about civil rights but when their minimized overtly in place of economic
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#110
For the millionth time... if Sanders' record is well known by all AAs and is considered lacking
whatchamacallit
Mar 2016
#122
Continuance of Obama legacy, Sanders said no to that on Chris Hayes and in rhetoric
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#127
Its what the DNC constituency want, that Sanders camp thought they didn't wasn't smart. They didn't
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#156
Are there any white, current US Congress members who have 'been a presence in the arena'? NT
Eric J in MN
Mar 2016
#123
They have all been deeply involved in civil rights and with the African American community
EffieBlack
Mar 2016
#143
My bad. I can see where I first used the phrase "black political agenda."
jonestonesusa
Mar 2016
#170
I don't know, black political agenda means different things to different people, but here's my take.
jonestonesusa
Mar 2016
#167
With a narrow definition of what liberal or conservative or no definition at all. Of course I'm ..
YCHDT
Mar 2016
#154