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2016 Postmortem

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shawn703

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:38 AM Mar 2016

It should be over for Hillary: Party elites and MSNBC can't prop her up after Bernie's Michigan [View all]

miracle.



You wouldn’t know it from watching TV last night or reading the national papers this morning but Bernie Sanders’ Michigan win ranks among the greatest upsets in presidential primary history.

Should he win the nomination it will be go down as the biggest upset of any kind in American political history.

Some key lessons, obvious to everyone but the media:

1. The old politics is over. The fault lines of the new politics are not cultural issues like guns, abortion and same-sex marriage that divide the Democratic and Republican bases. They are issues of political reform and economic justice that divide both party’s elites from both parties’ bases, and the American people from their government. On these issues we find the elites of both parties shockingly alike. Among them: global trade; financial deregulation and prosecution of financial crimes; the social safety net including Social Security, Medicare, a living wage and health care for all; above all, the “soft corruption” of pay to play politics.

http://www.salon.com/2016/03/09/it_should_be_over_for_hillary_party_elites_and_msnbc_cant_prop_her_up_after_bernies_michigan_miracle/

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I just came to post this. READ IT! It is important. morningfog Mar 2016 #1
read about the miracle! SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #46
And just imagine what the margin humbled_opinion Mar 2016 #50
I know, right??? Some people are truly becoming delusional!! beaglelover Mar 2016 #76
More people have shown up at the polls to vote for her. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #2
You should read the article. It serves as a dire warning. morningfog Mar 2016 #3
"Dire warning" NCTraveler Mar 2016 #6
You chose to ignore the political realignment at everyone's expense. morningfog Mar 2016 #11
Not in any way at all. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #18
Have you noticed this?: There are only 11 Southern States, that are almost all the way for Cal33 Mar 2016 #64
I think you should look at and reassess your position. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #67
Which part ? Cal33 Mar 2016 #68
the part, not yet realized, where there somehow become 5 or 10 more states islandmkl Mar 2016 #74
Well, the only way to be sure is to wait for the results. We'll all have to be Cal33 Mar 2016 #88
North Carolina will deliver more than half of its delegates to Bernie Uglystick Mar 2016 #90
It very well could. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #94
Worthy of the "Creative Speculation (Group)" Surya Gayatri Mar 2016 #19
Yes, it has indeed become borderline religious. Nitram Mar 2016 #40
I wouldn't compare it to religious SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #61
Yes, definitely a cult of personality. Nitram Mar 2016 #62
this two-time Connecticut loser? bigtree Mar 2016 #7
It's not about winning the election. Did you read it? morningfog Mar 2016 #10
And your candidate supports fracking.... seekthetruth Mar 2016 #63
Some of the articles have been classic. Nt NCTraveler Mar 2016 #66
No want Gwhittey Mar 2016 #15
and the one with less people voting for him is supposed to represent a 'movement' bigtree Mar 2016 #4
You deny it's a movement? Gary 50 Mar 2016 #44
Let me fix your post for you. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #36
Silly article. bullimiami Mar 2016 #5
Untrue. It is an important commentary on our fascist March. morningfog Mar 2016 #14
Silly poster. Maedhros Mar 2016 #101
Yes, he only has to win another 65 more states by 1.5% to overtake her in the delegate race Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #8
We'll need a new flag for those 65 stars! randome Mar 2016 #12
Actually he needs only 54% of remaining pledged delegates. morningfog Mar 2016 #16
In Michigan, he earned less than 53% of the pledged delegates Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #20
No shit! morningfog Mar 2016 #22
And she only needs 46% HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #25
Yep. As has been the case since the beginning, she has the advantage. morningfog Mar 2016 #27
Best post of the day! Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #103
You like these un-democratic rules?! They will never stand if Bernie is ahead w/elected delegates reformist2 Mar 2016 #107
The 54% figure is what Sanders has to earn to get a majority of pledged delegates Freddie Stubbs Mar 2016 #122
K&R.... daleanime Mar 2016 #9
My favorite line from the article EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #13
That is the disturbing thing about Clinton - Merryland Mar 2016 #30
When the GOP candidates are funded by super PACs, and we know we MUST win this election, Nitram Mar 2016 #43
Agreed. We have to destroy democracy in order to save it. Fronkonsteen Mar 2016 #55
Yes, I recognize that old Vietnam chestnut. Always a good one. Nitram Mar 2016 #59
Has The Congress Ever Overturned a Supreme Court Decision? LeFleur1 Mar 2016 #69
Not Congress. The Supreme Court. Nitram Mar 2016 #71
"unless there is something free in it for (young people), I doubt they'll show up." Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #116
my favorite line Locrian Mar 2016 #83
Hillary is winning in pledged delegates and votes. It's not over by a long shot. Bernie will not beaglelover Mar 2016 #17
And that is not the point of the article. Too bad people can't read beyond the headline. morningfog Mar 2016 #21
Jury results: 11 Bravo Mar 2016 #26
A year ago "Democrat Party" was almost a guaranteed hide. n/t ieoeja Mar 2016 #65
"Democrat party"? arcane1 Mar 2016 #81
It was a typo. Get over it. beaglelover Mar 2016 #87
Typo? Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #91
I'm so confused jham123 Mar 2016 #95
Beats me. There are some VERY sensitive types on this board I guess. beaglelover Mar 2016 #106
beaglelover wrote "Democrat Party" which is a Rush Limbaugh usage... Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #117
and Hillary will never be President n/t dana_b Mar 2016 #98
There is no "Democrat" party. It is the "Democratic" party. Punkingal Mar 2016 #108
He won one Midwestern state by 2 percentage points !!!!!! Trust Buster Mar 2016 #23
She, as she has a habit of doing, blew a 20 point lead. morningfog Mar 2016 #32
if Hillary had done that, they'd be dana_b Mar 2016 #100
Is Minnesota midwestern? timmymoff Mar 2016 #58
Apparently the midwest is just Michigan. Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #92
Elections aren't won by who has the most scathing articles written against their opponent HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #24
yeah that. she's still 93% favored to win... artyteacher Mar 2016 #29
and rapidly dropping. Uglystick Mar 2016 #34
no, its been very steady... artyteacher Mar 2016 #35
The American electorate generally comprises low-information voters Maedhros Mar 2016 #102
If only people were smart enough HillareeeHillaraah Mar 2016 #109
If only people were smart enough to VOTE ON THE ISSUES rather than for a PERSONA. Maedhros Mar 2016 #115
This OP is spot on. jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #28
Ga Tech beat top 10 team Virginia this year, yet GT still ain't going to the NCAA Tournament. Hoyt Mar 2016 #31
Why do people comment only on the headline? morningfog Mar 2016 #33
Because they are conditioned to focus only on the horse race. jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #38
People comment only on the headline because the headlines on DU are usually... Nitram Mar 2016 #39
It's not my OP, but it is the headline of the article as it appeared. I think it is just laziness. morningfog Mar 2016 #49
"Prop her up"? Please. Nitram Mar 2016 #37
Nice to see the "smug" so early this morning. You go girls! pdsimdars Mar 2016 #41
Excellent Summary 1norcal Mar 2016 #42
lol treestar Mar 2016 #45
k&r avaistheone1 Mar 2016 #47
Nonsense--One win doesn't mean it's over. book_worm Mar 2016 #48
Obama had the votes to raise the minimum wage! noamnety Mar 2016 #51
I love this sentence coyote Mar 2016 #52
Exactly. SoapBox Mar 2016 #54
We stand here OkSustainAg Mar 2016 #53
Help make this reality and kick DWS out of Congress. . . DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #56
Problem is she still got more delegates out of Michigan liberalnarb Mar 2016 #57
Why should it? Hillary Clinton still has a substantial MineralMan Mar 2016 #60
Look, it's simple, MM. Pundits are more important than voters! Sheesh! randome Mar 2016 #70
Damn! I'm always forgetting that... MineralMan Mar 2016 #72
All the kings horses and all the kings men AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #73
In the primaries she does have a strong majority of it at this point. MineralMan Mar 2016 #77
There is no popular vote in the primaries AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #78
We shall see, as more primaries are held. MineralMan Mar 2016 #79
Every poll I see shows her beating Trump, and most show her beating Cruz and Rubio Beaverhausen Mar 2016 #113
Michigan Miracle???? Jesus Christ. He won by less than 2%. Get over yourselves!! beaglelover Mar 2016 #75
So if Clinton came back from a 20% deficit in polling Goblinmonger Mar 2016 #93
I would not call it a freakin' miracle. That's for sure. beaglelover Mar 2016 #105
I was conned by the polls. Thought Sanders was going to lose, big, in MI. Peace Patriot Mar 2016 #119
Thank you for the thoughtful post. beaglelover Mar 2016 #120
According to the polls he was something like 20 points down!! dana_b Mar 2016 #99
Bill Curry has provided the best commentary I've seen at describing... ReallyIAmAnOptimist Mar 2016 #80
Yes, Curry is writing the best analysis on this election that I have seen BernieforPres2016 Mar 2016 #89
"On these issues we find the elites of both parties shockingly alike." arcane1 Mar 2016 #82
Hedging bets, like. Octafish Mar 2016 #84
"Nominate the most progressive candidate who will secretly bargain for us" arcane1 Mar 2016 #85
Whatever happens, in the future the DNC had damn well never try to shove a horrible, lying, Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #86
You wrote what I only think, A.L. senz Mar 2016 #96
Thanks, senz! Arugula Latte Mar 2016 #97
Ah, yes senz Mar 2016 #111
Yeah! Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #104
It's a river in Egypt! senz Mar 2016 #112
Hard to prop her up after those debates last night too. The Midway Rebel Mar 2016 #110
Thought for sure this was going to be HA Goodman oberliner Mar 2016 #114
This Seems Painfully Obvious The River Mar 2016 #118
K & R Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #121
Good article--Excerpts I liked: marions ghost Mar 2016 #123
This sentence.. FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #124
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