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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: "the Sanders campaign is simply pulling numbers out of the air." [View all]geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)4. This is why he shouldn't be President.
He is not willing to be honest about the costs of his campaign promises. Government needs to acknowledge reality and get the math right.
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"the Sanders campaign is simply pulling numbers out of the air." [View all]
geek tragedy
Mar 2016
OP
"We spend twice as much per capita on health care as any other nation on earth"
Recursion
Mar 2016
#107
We spend twice the OECD average, but not "twice as much as any other industrialized country"
Recursion
Mar 2016
#165
Is that how you rationalize the privatization of Social Security? And ending food stamps?
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#48
Neither of those things will happen with Hillary. With the Republicans-probably
redstateblues
Mar 2016
#66
Where did Dylan Matthews get these numbers? I can't find them anywhere other than in these
think
Mar 2016
#109
So now you claim Freidman is a quack? You're entitled to your opinion but in case you haven't notice
think
Mar 2016
#113
You think it's just wonderful that people failed to notice that their current premiums would--
eridani
Mar 2016
#5
It can work if done right, but to do it right you have to do the math right.
geek tragedy
Mar 2016
#73
Yes, by about 10 percent at the most... that's not enough savings to tear shit up
uponit7771
Mar 2016
#16
Unnnn, still not worth tearin shit up... that's what the national SP plan would do too.
uponit7771
Mar 2016
#29
and keeps the the overtly parasitic doctors, pharma and hospital corporations. So instead of paying
uponit7771
Mar 2016
#38
From an estimate by a couple of UW professors on the Washington Health Security Trust n/t
eridani
Mar 2016
#114
I just wanted to read the details of the info you had and where it came from
Sheepshank
Mar 2016
#171
You guys rationalize why Goldman-Sachs should rip us off and dare pretend that you care.
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#22
+1, Magic asterisks, conciliatory GOP congress's, ponies, unicorns and podium bird..
uponit7771
Mar 2016
#12
This is the reason I think he's staying in, Tad Devine has a Reddit account and someones convinced
uponit7771
Mar 2016
#19
+1, they're even winning nearly the same constituency Hillary lost with in 2008... lol on "whitey
uponit7771
Mar 2016
#23
I disagree with your first statement IE the Sanders camp discontent with Obama. Overnight is relativ
uponit7771
Mar 2016
#142
And you are willing to turn your backs on the 16,000,000 American children living in poverty.
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#25
Don't pretend you care about honesty. You side with those that want money over everything.
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#36
Those that bow before the golden calf are easy to read. Greed uber alles. nm
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#52
She pockets a lot of it. $150,000,000 while pretending she cares about the peons. I guess you
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#50
How do you rationalize siding with those that would kill SS and other safety nets.
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#56
You are mistaken if you think the Class War is between Democrats and Republicons.
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#164
What is sad is your rationaliziations to give all our resources to the wealthy and the hell with
rhett o rick
Mar 2016
#54
Apparently, neither Mr. Starr, nor yourself, are familiar with the concept of "forecasting".
opiate69
Mar 2016
#60
No, what happened was that Sanders claimed he could save $325 billion per year
geek tragedy
Mar 2016
#65
It is 100% possible to save that much. The actual savings will of course depent on--
eridani
Mar 2016
#124
My question is...why don't Sanders and Clinton compromise with the public option?
JonLeibowitz
Mar 2016
#57
Sigh...so single/multi payer (where the math doesn't currently add up) is the only option?
JonLeibowitz
Mar 2016
#64
How long term? She's not campaigning on it, she mentions protecting/expanding ACA
JonLeibowitz
Mar 2016
#82
Yes, but the candidate has to campaign on that! Sanders would no doubt fall back to what she wants
JonLeibowitz
Mar 2016
#89
A shitload of Dems agree with Hillary Clinton. For profit private insurance is forever.
delrem
Mar 2016
#49
Thank you, the OP is such a dishonest and terrible representation of Bernie's plan. n/t
Jefferson23
Mar 2016
#133
When I put in the numbers for me it told me that I would pay more in taxes.
LiberalFighter
Mar 2016
#81
They built their systems over decades without ever relying on employers to provide
geek tragedy
Mar 2016
#100
Taiwan's not strictly single payer (there are copays), but we should emulate their system
Recursion
Mar 2016
#122
Copays or no copays have nothing to do with whether a system is single payer or not
eridani
Mar 2016
#123
Krugman- Sanders health plan looks a little bit like a standard Republican tax-cut plan
Gothmog
Mar 2016
#131
James Galbraith Describes Major Forecast Failure in Model Used by Romers to Attack Friedman on Sande
Jefferson23
Mar 2016
#144
Sad day when so called liberals are supporting arguments AGAINST single payer.
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#153
Yeah but he didnt fudge the numbers, at least not on purpose. Figuring out how to do it
Jackie Wilson Said
Mar 2016
#156
Ha ha! Did you see the post of the 179 top economists who endorsed Bernie's plan?
pdsimdars
Mar 2016
#170
''When Wall Street firms lie about their finances, the legal term that applies is 'fraud.'''
Octafish
Mar 2016
#172