2016 Postmortem

djean111

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6. Yes, they did not know that this is all a crooked game.

Reply to WhaTHellsgoingonhere (Original post)

Tue Apr 5, 2016, 12:43 PM

Apr 2016

Grandson says voting for Hillary would be voting for the same old shit, and that it looks, from outside the political bubble, like the GOP does not have a whole lot different in mind. War, fracking, the TPP, college. Stuff like that.

That's on Hillary and the DNC and on what has actually happened over the years, not a tattered "platform" that gets ignored at will. They look stuff up. This stuff affects them personally. They don't look to Carville or Maddow or David Brock.

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Thom Hartmann said he was wrong about Bernie or Busters [View all] WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 OP

Silly. peacebird Apr 2016 #1

Great little graphic in your post. athena Apr 2016 #2

She has her Goldman Handcuffs, earned them all by herself. peacebird Apr 2016 #4

She forged every link herself. Katashi_itto Apr 2016 #7

She's the only one to blame if that's the case n/t arcane1 Apr 2016 #9

+1 daleanime Apr 2016 #34

+1 hopeforchange2008 Apr 2016 #104

They. Don't. Care. It's all about "gutting the Democratic Party", right? BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #10

That's right, we need to remove the right wing cancer. dogman Apr 2016 #14

Since President Obama, the Democratic Party has been its most progressive. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #20

He's certainly no FDR. dogman Apr 2016 #24

You know what's so strange? Self-proclaimed Liberals said the SAME THING about FDR. Here's proof: BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #38

No, FDR got results. dogman Apr 2016 #49

So did President Obama. Just because you don't want to acknowledge them, doesn't make them invisible BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #56

He's done well considering where he started. dogman Apr 2016 #57

Thanks. I think he did as well. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #94

He was my Senator, that's where I learned he is a corporatist. dogman Apr 2016 #102

You should do some research on Tad Devine before villifying President Obama on Com ED. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #106

soc security was on the table with Obama - forget labels They mean nothing. snowy owl Apr 2016 #84

Yeah, sorry, but poltical Parties have names (what you call 'labels') and you've got to choose sides BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #95

No, again, we do not have to choose sides timmymoff Apr 2016 #113

One small problem Depaysement Apr 2016 #60

Good catch! You get a cookie. eom BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #62

Oh please, not that again. What Social Safety Net programs has Obama instituted or Clinton to sabrina 1 Apr 2016 #108

Sounds like you think Obama is a right wing cancer BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #43

Wrong dogman Apr 2016 #55

Thank you BeyondGeography Apr 2016 #71

YES! Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #37

Doesn't take away from the FACT that he's been the most progressive President since FDR. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #42

Depends on your definition of "progressive" Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #59

The root word in progressive is "progress". Any and all progress is better than NONE at all. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #97

Not when "progress" is one step forward three steps back Kelvin Mace Apr 2016 #101

Peacenick? beltanefauve Apr 2016 #89

Yeah. It tells you I'm a realist living in the real world. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #98

Can you name the Progressive Obama advisors and cabinet members WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #46

I'd name the progressive policies progressive President Obama has gotten through inspite of BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #47

That's weak. You and I know Bernie is a proponent of the Progressive agenda. To make a hyperbolic WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #61

No, I don't know that. Bernie is a talker, not a doer. He's all talk, no walk. As far as fire and BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #66

Exactly! Kick the conservatives out and make it a progressive party. arcane1 Apr 2016 #16

It doesn't surprise me that you don't take umbrage regarding the "gutting the Democratic Party" line BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #26

For me, principles always come first n/t arcane1 Apr 2016 #32

For me, getting progressive things done for the people and the country are what matters. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #45

That's not going to be happening under Hillary. azmom Apr 2016 #52

It's about the truth, if that 'guts the democratic party'..... daleanime Apr 2016 #35

You do understand, of course, that the Democratic Party is no longer the Democratic Party. pangaia Apr 2016 #73

Well, I know it's the Democratic Party I've signed up with in the 80's, and it's only gotten better BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #74

I wouldn't know whereto begin. pangaia Apr 2016 #79

Why not take a nap? I'm certain it'll be clearer for you afterward. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #91

there's your disconnect. we are talking about BEFORE that. we remember Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #82

*Before* the CRA?? The Democratic Party was the Republican Party. DUH. BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #93

since the '80s?....THAT explains everything... islandmkl Apr 2016 #114

your complaining about a graphic? lastone Apr 2016 #11

right? They are more upset about the silly little things rather than dana_b Apr 2016 #17

What ties to corporate money? athena Apr 2016 #19

panama papers and Clinton AND the President: dana_b Apr 2016 #64

Nice find Dana! lastone Apr 2016 #75

David Sirota on twitter dana_b Apr 2016 #76

yes, I'd like to hear her response Fairgo Apr 2016 #92

You better tell her to straighten up in a real hurry if she wants liberals to vote for her. DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #81

Enjoy President Trump, then. athena Apr 2016 #86

Oh, I think I've been around the block a few times. So many times, in fact, that I'm immune DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #90

Who is trying to coerce you? athena Apr 2016 #107

I'd allow persuade. Does that work for you? DisgustipatedinCA Apr 2016 #109

Well well.. pangaia Apr 2016 #105

Also said Hillary has to figure out how to win them over. Idiotic, right? WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #5

No way Hillary CAN win them over. They know her to be a liar who will say anything.... peacebird Apr 2016 #8

Lets hope there arent that many of these people you speak of, they sound unbelievable selfish Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #12

Yes, people who love corporations are the unselfish ones. dogman Apr 2016 #27

Do we put you down as Bernie or Bust? Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #30

Nope. dogman Apr 2016 #31

The reason the DNC moved to the right was money. Pure and simple, the other guys had more Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #33

I'm for that. dogman Apr 2016 #36

Hell yes. Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #39

bullshit choie Apr 2016 #41

That was part of it but DNC had to go to Wall Street to compete. Not bullshit, but yes in a way Jackie Wilson Said Apr 2016 #44

Yep, people who were never engaged will remain that way WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #18

That isn't their fault... GeorgiaPeanuts Apr 2016 #23

They will become engaged if they are given something to vote FOR. Maedhros Apr 2016 #77

figuring it out AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #3

Exactly HughLefty1 Apr 2016 #13

Yes, they did not know that this is all a crooked game. djean111 Apr 2016 #6

Hartmann is starting to talk about the platform BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #48

+1 No card check either although Pres. Obama said it. appalachiablue Apr 2016 #83

I'm watching, and Hartmann is at least starting to come to grips with it BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #15

Love the way you framed it. I think he knows about the 100 feet, but can't say it WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #21

I believe you are correct. Cal33 Apr 2016 #25

Agreed AgerolanAmerican Apr 2016 #28

They need to worry about more than new voters and the previously disengaged voters. Skwmom Apr 2016 #29

Funny that you would say that BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #40

Just like we all get attacked for saying this dana_b Apr 2016 #69

I also agree. closeupready Apr 2016 #51

exactly. See my sig dana_b Apr 2016 #68

And wait until he adds in the 33 State Democratic Party deal jwirr Apr 2016 #110

Did you listen to the former Clinton supporter that said she would write Bernie in? Skwmom Apr 2016 #22

the one caller said he had not been engaged before and Bernie got his attention... islandmkl Apr 2016 #50

That was a great call. Thanks for posting this. WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #67

Ive been living in Oregon for 27 years, this is my first primary as a dem so I could vote for Bernie litlbilly Apr 2016 #53

OR will go big for Bernie! i hear the campaign office opens tommorow Viva_La_Revolution Apr 2016 #99

Usually a fan, but a significant number of those Bernie supporters who say they will not for Hillary merrily Apr 2016 #54

Hartmann is right and wrong at the same time. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #58

Hartmann is fishing Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #63

I think you're right BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #65

sometimes he's genuenly OVER optimistic Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #70

Great post. CharlotteVale Apr 2016 #85

Tx Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #88

Did anybody just hear Nora from Oregon? BernieforPres2016 Apr 2016 #72

I heard her and was astonished he caved...somewhat. The caller who Land of Enchantment Apr 2016 #116

I have been listening and am glad to hear him change his mind. pdsimdars Apr 2016 #78

not sure he's changed his mind Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #87

Seems he's uncomfortable with being responsible for creating the monster, for sure! WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #112

Hartman introduced me to Bernie (vis a vis Brunch with Bernie) 2banon Apr 2016 #80

I remember the Reagan years Rebkeh Apr 2016 #96

Maybe you misunderstood??? He had been say the people who won't vote for Hillary are idiots WhaTHellsgoingonhere Apr 2016 #111

Thom still wants to promote the thought that the Party can be saved...even islandmkl Apr 2016 #115

Thom better watch out for the bus! JoePhilly Apr 2016 #100

It can't be her lying or the fact that banks corporations healthcare pharma oil companies own her onecaliberal Apr 2016 #103