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In reply to the discussion: Rigged race means Hillary takes more delegates in Bernie’s Wyoming win [View all]Dragonfli
(10,622 posts)25. This is the first election I have ever seen, after 37 yrs, where a 12 point victory was called a tie
They split delegated yes, this happens sometimes in caucused when an election is close and happened here after a twelve point victory(likely because it is a small state voter wise and they have really weird rules) and that is fair if that is their system.
But he won this election handily and in every other election I've seen (and I've seen a great many) that would be announced with perhaps some remarks about how delegates are awarded is much more complicated or some such, hell even the MSM admitted he won it.
He won it, and he won it by twelve percentage points, they allot their delegates in a way that does not reflect that win, (hell it may even award more delegates than a margin of victory would assume using the same rules in some elections, say a 12 point victory and a 10 to 4 Delegate win) but you are just plain spinning. He won, that is why it was "called" by the networks. It is at the same time fair to say he walked away from his twelve point victory with an evenly split delegate count - that's all true and they get to make the rules on how they allot their State delegates. Just stop spinning and feel good about having won the luck of the delegate rules of the State. A delagte victory celebration is in order and I congratulate you on that! It's just the lying bit annoys me.
But he won this election handily and in every other election I've seen (and I've seen a great many) that would be announced with perhaps some remarks about how delegates are awarded is much more complicated or some such, hell even the MSM admitted he won it.
He won it, and he won it by twelve percentage points, they allot their delegates in a way that does not reflect that win, (hell it may even award more delegates than a margin of victory would assume using the same rules in some elections, say a 12 point victory and a 10 to 4 Delegate win) but you are just plain spinning. He won, that is why it was "called" by the networks. It is at the same time fair to say he walked away from his twelve point victory with an evenly split delegate count - that's all true and they get to make the rules on how they allot their State delegates. Just stop spinning and feel good about having won the luck of the delegate rules of the State. A delagte victory celebration is in order and I congratulate you on that! It's just the lying bit annoys me.
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Rigged race means Hillary takes more delegates in Bernie’s Wyoming win [View all]
RiverLover
Apr 2016
OP
Ties in raw numbers that effect the delegate count are decided by coin tosses here in Iowa.
stone space
Apr 2016
#11
I'm not talking about supers. Including supers is like including poll results.
stone space
Apr 2016
#56
Your welcome, I only learned of it myself a couple months ago and at first thought "no way"
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#149
I am going to book mark this thread, in order to remind me to work with you on this after the GE
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#151
That's because Bernie is not a corrupt power broker fueled by personal ambition and greed,
Maedhros
Apr 2016
#153
Of the more than 600 surrogate ballots received, 402 went in favor of Clinton and a mere 215 went to
RiverLover
Apr 2016
#16
Agreed. Ask your neighbors if they can get to the polls and if not get them an absentee ballot
Henhouse
Apr 2016
#9
And Hillary has spent her life in Arkansas, or is it Illinois? One never knows with her.
pangaia
Apr 2016
#61
And Hillary moved here solely for the purpose of running for the Senate seat . . .
markpkessinger
Apr 2016
#66
she did a very good job looking after her constituents, and made sure to spend
geek tragedy
Apr 2016
#75
Any SD who's an elected official that votes against their state's popular vote...
Lizzie Poppet
Apr 2016
#43
I get a Vermont newspaper even though I live in NH, and there have been some very
Vinca
Apr 2016
#49
If we're going to have races based on the popular vote, that's what should be counted.
Vinca
Apr 2016
#41
Oh, believe you me, I'll enjoy coming back here on the 9th to rub their noses in it.
Lizzie Poppet
Apr 2016
#40
This is the first election I have ever seen, after 37 yrs, where a 12 point victory was called a tie
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#25
I read an interesting article this am about the consequences of Lesser Evil voting
RiverLover
Apr 2016
#134
First of all, hello to my favorite river enthusiast and dragonfly lover! Second, great article
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#138
I assume like myself, you have seen several election cycles, since well before the internet age
Dragonfli
Apr 2016
#136
I don't like caucuses, but it's what some states prefer. The rules were set long ago, so it's not
Hoyt
Apr 2016
#21
The fact that you carp about "the next level" shows how little Camp Sanders cares about democracy
Tarc
Apr 2016
#109
Did he know the party's rules when he decided to latch onto the Democratic Party
Nye Bevan
Apr 2016
#30
If Sanders does manage to get more pledged delegates than Clinton and still ends up
Marr
Apr 2016
#50
Even when people explain the facts, the CT theories persist. It is embarrassing.
bettyellen
Apr 2016
#95
BS. Its the other way around. ie SALON- "10 Ways the Dem Primary Has Been Rigged from the Start"
RiverLover
Apr 2016
#106
People were cool with the system 8 yrs ago, when it worked for Obama. I do not do hypocrisy.
seabeyond
Apr 2016
#96
And if Hillary wins this rigged process, they expect us to vote for her
BernieforPres2016
Apr 2016
#97
I know several states will have marijuana initiatives on their ballots.
DisgustipatedinCA
Apr 2016
#101
You keep telling yourself that. Most Bernie supporters here are lifelong Dems, like me.
RiverLover
Apr 2016
#102
She will lose the general and if not, our congress will grow even more horrid.
CentralCoaster
Apr 2016
#114
Indeed. We are learning fast aren't we?! Let's use our infusion of energy from this to tear the
haikugal
Apr 2016
#105
And DWS says the supers are to make sure there is no grassroots.........peoples vote do not count
bkkyosemite
Apr 2016
#127
Sanders cheerleaders like the rules when it allows them to get more delegates in Nevada
SFnomad
Apr 2016
#156