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2016 Postmortem

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marmar

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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:24 AM Apr 2016

Donald Trump can actually beat Hillary in November: Stubborn pundits still refuse to accept it [View all]


from Salon:


Donald Trump can actually beat Hillary in November: Stubborn pundits still refuse to accept it
Polls have Hillary beating Trump in swing states, but the billionaire is far more popular than we'd like to believe

Sean Illing


Pundits are paid to pretend they know things. But we have no special insight, no higher claims to truth. We’re wrong as much as we’re right, if not more so. Sometimes it’s clear what will happen, often it’s not. In the case of Trump, everyone – myself included – got it wrong.

When Trump descended preposterously from that escalator and announced he was running for president, we all giggled. Trump? President? Seriously? And yet all the polls suggested that he had real traction. But we assumed his star would fade. Then he started winning primaries – by massive margins. We downplayed it. Then he made one gaffe after another – insulting John McCain’s military service, hurling a menstruation jab at Megyn Kelly, calling Mexicans “rapists” and “criminals,” promising to ban all Muslims from entering the country. He even vicariously called Ted Cruz a “pussy.”

None of it mattered. Trump is now on track to receive the most primary votes in the history of the Republican Party. Let that sink in for a moment.

The political class is experiencing a collective cognitive dissonance: We just can’t quite believe this is happening. And yet it is happening – right now, in front of our faces. Barring something extraordinary, Trump will be the Republican nominee. Will he win the general election? Probably not. But he absolutely could win, and willing ourselves to ignorance won’t make it any less likely.

.....(snip).....

The truth is that Trump is far more popular than we’d like to believe. A recent NBC News/SurveyMonkey poll, for example, showed that Trump reached 50 percent approval among Republicans and Republican-leaners nationally for the first time since the poll started tracking in late December. He’s trending upwards, in other words.

As for this claim that there aren’t enough “xenophobic, angry white” people to elect Trump, well, that’s not so clear either. This is likely the case, but I wouldn’t bet the house on it. Take Trump’s outrageous comments about banning Muslims. Such an obscene and unconstitutional position ought to sink his campaign. However, as Byron York noted this week, take a look at the exit polls from recent Republican primaries. Voters aren’t just sympathetic to Trump’s proposal – they support it overwhelmingly. 69 percent of GOP voters in Pennsylvania said they agree with Trump. The number was 68 percent in New York; 69 percent in Wisconsin; 64 percent in Florida; 68 percent in Georgia; 65 percent in Ohio; and 65 percent in New Hampshire. These numbers will be significantly lower in a general election, but they’re high enough to dim the excitement of anyone who thinks Trump’s xenophobia is a deal-breaker. ......................(more)

http://www.salon.com/2016/04/29/donald_trump_can_actually_beat_hillary_in_november_stubborn_pundits_still_refuse_to_accept_it/




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Same can be said of a Sanders nomination. Needless to say, I disagree with Salon again. Trust Buster Apr 2016 #1
The difference with Sanders is that he attracts the vast jane123 Apr 2016 #4
No ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #13
Kaisch does better than Trump against Clinton, Sanders really does well- landslide territory Baobab May 2016 #25
Kasich will never get a chance MFM008 May 2016 #55
that isnt true. Indys hate trump larkrake May 2016 #28
Okay. ou are incorrect; but, okay. 1StrongBlackMan May 2016 #44
Sanders gets 67% of Independants vs. Trump. Clinton gets 33% HooptieWagon May 2016 #52
Another key difference CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #17
Lol... northernsouthern May 2016 #27
Hillary is delusional if she thinks the recent polls are reflecting reality randr Apr 2016 #2
It's going to boil down to who the average voter hate more Lurks Often Apr 2016 #3
She will be shredded like a lettuce yourpaljoey Apr 2016 #5
Here in Florida (Tampa area), I see Bernie stickers and Trump stickers. djean111 Apr 2016 #6
Your political instincts are terrible. CorkySt.Clair Apr 2016 #20
I live in the Tampa Bay Area. NCTraveler May 2016 #40
Hillsborough: Clinton 63 Sanders 35 NCTraveler May 2016 #41
And this helps Bernie, how? What does it change? NurseJackie Apr 2016 #7
Would you go along with globalizing your profession, nursing? Baobab May 2016 #49
Hopeful wishing for a trump victory.... beachbumbob Apr 2016 #8
Hillary will make her stand pressbox69 Apr 2016 #9
Coakley! Coakley! Coakley! MisterP Apr 2016 #23
I didn't read the article past ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #10
"Or, are DUers just selecting trump love letters" marmar Apr 2016 #11
I'm not insinuating anything. I'm saying ... 1StrongBlackMan Apr 2016 #15
I don't think he's "insinuating" anything, he's quite clear SFnomad Apr 2016 #19
"BS cheerleaders" marmar Apr 2016 #21
No need for self-reflection SFnomad Apr 2016 #22
Well evidently it is working because the "presumptive nominee" of March of 2015 still hasn't silvershadow May 2016 #31
The media will be relentlessly pushing Trump on us to make it appear we have a horserace. DCBob Apr 2016 #12
The media has been underestimating Trump since he announced he was running. B Calm May 2016 #39
No doubt but they gave him credibility by following him around nearly non-stop. DCBob May 2016 #42
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #14
Yep. A predictable pivot I'd say. nt sufrommich Apr 2016 #18
Trump has attempted to take a page from Machiavelli Babel_17 Apr 2016 #16
I am sure many BS supporters here will work hard to make that happen. nt Jitter65 May 2016 #24
Trump's success is a reflection of the state of the Republican Party. Garrett78 May 2016 #26
Most here seem to forget DJ13 May 2016 #29
As always, polls only reflect reality if they support one's position. onenote May 2016 #30
He could probably beat Bernie more easily Onlooker May 2016 #32
No-one thinks Bernie's campaign is more sexist than Trumps Kentonio May 2016 #33
Just as some Bernie supporters won't back Hillary ... Onlooker May 2016 #34
This is the epitome of clickbait. joshcryer May 2016 #35
Thanks for the kick though marmar May 2016 #36
Wasn't really me. joshcryer May 2016 #37
No one should take Trump lightly. RW demagogues can be awesome campaigners. Offering up scapegoats pampango May 2016 #38
Can Trump win 70% of the white male vote? forjusticethunders May 2016 #43
People overestimate Trump's appeal onenote May 2016 #45
"As for this claim that there aren’t enough “xenophobic, angry white” people sufrommich May 2016 #46
Trump can easily beat HRC amborin May 2016 #47
She's barely beating Bernie, who hasn't taken a swing at her... Yurovsky May 2016 #48
David Axelrod called T a "sheep in wolf's clothing" who can switch back and forth amborin May 2016 #50
Don't underestimate Trump Kilgore May 2016 #51
. RandySF May 2016 #53
Pundits are doubling down PATRICK May 2016 #54
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