2016 Postmortem

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53. It's not going to be either one. The supers will follow the pledged delegates.

Sun May 8, 2016, 03:12 AM

May 2016

Any potential embarrassment will have to await a change in those numbers.

And in that event, any supposed embarrassment will be rather minor.

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Those pre-pledged delegates sure are in an awkward, embarrassing position...having [View all] silvershadow May 2016 OP

They're probably well compensated for their trouble. HooptieWagon May 2016 #1

I wish I could pretend that didn't have some basis in fact. nt silvershadow May 2016 #2

Well, you seem to be pretending that it DOES have "some basis in fact". George II May 2016 #72

Welp, it has been well documented that several Snarkoleptic May 2016 #12

Funny you should say that... SidDithers May 2016 #43

Amazing, isn't it Andy823 May 2016 #93

Yep . Completely , willfully puffy socks May 2016 #105

If his opponent does the same... scscholar May 2016 #112

I doubt they care much to be honest rurallib May 2016 #3

You're right...they don't care. Punkingal May 2016 #4

They don't care that she is willing to let innocent civilians die so her rich corporate sponsers can GoneFishin May 2016 #110

So awkward, to vote to follow the democratically expressed wishes of the voters. Nye Bevan May 2016 #5

And yet, there is precedent, if it comes to that. We don't elect based on raw votes, remember? silvershadow May 2016 #8

Yeah, lots of Bernie supporters are discounting the significance of "raw votes" these days. Nye Bevan May 2016 #13

I haven't seen anyone discounting their significance, rather just poignant out what their silvershadow May 2016 #16

No, I don't think we need to award Hillary more delegates in New York Arneoker May 2016 #148

Lol... Good lord. Agschmid May 2016 #29

It is awkward, if they vote for the least electable candidate, it is their purpose to do the opposit Dragonfli May 2016 #44

What voters? Most of them pledged Hillary before any other candidates entered the race. That Guy 888 May 2016 #113

you mean the candidate with a 3 million vote lead? who has wider demographic support? msongs May 2016 #6

The one whose poll numbers are atrocious? And whose platform is weak compared to what we silvershadow May 2016 #9

Or the person who still won't release his taxes annavictorious May 2016 #77

The candidate who has to have a stacked deck in order to win, dear. pacalo May 2016 #10

If by "stacked deck" annavictorious May 2016 #79

A stacked deck is having the DNC doing your campaign structuring pacalo May 2016 #120

Yes, you could go on Arneoker May 2016 #149

What wasn't true about what I wrote? pacalo May 2016 #155

Sanders lost on his own merits. Trust Buster May 2016 #7

Really? Why is Hillary continuing on in the primaries? pacalo May 2016 #14

Because she has a general election to win, unlike Sanders. Trust Buster May 2016 #15

You said Bernie already lost, so you better tell Hillary. pacalo May 2016 #17

She doesn't even mention Sanders any more. Trust Buster May 2016 #19

I'm glad the lies & misinformation about Bernie have come to an end! pacalo May 2016 #21

To the victor go the spoils. Trust Buster May 2016 #22

Bless your heart. pacalo May 2016 #23

No one does annavictorious May 2016 #84

There is the formality of locking up her proportionate share of the remaining delegates. Zynx May 2016 #18

I'm sure some Sanders delegates won't be wasting airfare to Philadelphia KingFlorez May 2016 #11

Oh no way. I'm still angling for a spot...ready to go! nt silvershadow May 2016 #26

Airfare? beltanefauve May 2016 #143

Drop superdels. Popular vote count should get nomination. JaneyVee May 2016 #20

It's not going to be either one. The supers will follow the pledged delegates. stone space May 2016 #53

Haha...nt Jitter65 May 2016 #68

They were bought and paid for by the DNC. Clinton funds via super pacs are given to rhett o rick May 2016 #24

Prove it! fun n serious May 2016 #34

Give him some credit. TexasTowelie May 2016 #54

The original intention of SDs was to step in in if an unelectable candidate won the vote but $$$$$$ Dragonfli May 2016 #45

Money changes everything. Lizzie Poppet May 2016 #70

This bolded part is the real reason -none May 2016 #80

The will of the people is reflected in the vote and delegate count brush May 2016 #109

Assuming the vote count is honest. -none May 2016 #111

Ever voted in a caucus? There are way more ways to manipulate vote count in poorly . . . brush May 2016 #115

Yeah, picking the winner sure was stupid of them. CrowCityDem May 2016 #25

Those 39 delegates are welcome to flip their vote ahead of the MADem May 2016 #27

We will see. If they do, I will know the takeover of the party is complete. From that point silvershadow May 2016 #28

I will say this about those 39--I don't think any Clinton supporter MADem May 2016 #31

Well, I myself contacted every Super I could identify in my state's delegation...online. Then silvershadow May 2016 #35

I'm sure your "nice, polite email" made them see the light--not. MADem May 2016 #49

Funny how you don't even admit they are neck and neck, and he is due some respect. nt silvershadow May 2016 #50

They are not "neck and neck." Clinton has defeated Sanders--his path MADem May 2016 #58

Yes, Sanders has her right where she wants him LOL!!! Corporate666 May 2016 #65

The super delegates put themselves in an awkward position when they accept that kind JDPriestly May 2016 #56

See? You do not understand their role. They don't "represent the people." MADem May 2016 #57

They will do that at the risk of offending voters who resent or reject the party system. JDPriestly May 2016 #59

Well, voters who resent or reject the party system should find a home elsewhere MADem May 2016 #62

Sorry, but a party that is more interested in maintaining its established power structure JDPriestly May 2016 #64

You can say that until the cows come home, but the Superdelegates are there to MADem May 2016 #108

OK, the rulers' interests are covered, but what about the PEOPLE? immoderate May 2016 #106

That's why there's more than one type of delegate. MADem May 2016 #107

Or threaten to cut out their tongues. okasha May 2016 #142

They were chosen for a reason. HassleCat May 2016 #30

Just because Bernie is loitoring doesn't mean the deal isn't closed. Renew Deal May 2016 #32

That means in my purple state that I sadoldgirl May 2016 #96

I am so sick of the threats to Demsrule86 May 2016 #152

Bernie is the weakest fun n serious May 2016 #33

I'm looking at the general election polls, which indicate Bernie would absolutely crush Trump silvershadow May 2016 #36

Oh POLLS that have been wrong all year... fun n serious May 2016 #37

Yeah, the historically accurate exit polls stopped being so the exact moment HAVA was implemented. silvershadow May 2016 #39

Exit polls were wrong in Gore/Bush fun n serious May 2016 #41

Yeah, that was pre-9/11. We were a different kind of country back then. nt silvershadow May 2016 #42

Bernie can't even win the nomination of his own party! redstateblues May 2016 #38

Hill beats Trump by 13 points. Good enough. oasis May 2016 #46

Just wait until the elected Democrats have to defend what they endorsed when endorsing Clinton. Skwmom May 2016 #40

They had better be careful...a lot of silvershadow May 2016 #47

Yes including you. Agschmid May 2016 #127

Says you. Enough said. nt silvershadow May 2016 #129

;) Agschmid May 2016 #130

Oh, your grapes. They are so, so sour? Tarc May 2016 #48

That is the problem. -none May 2016 #81

protip; Hillary is left-wing too Tarc May 2016 #85

Really? -none May 2016 #89

The problem is people that are so far left that everyone else looks right-wing Tarc May 2016 #97

Only to the Right-wing -none May 2016 #98

WHOOSH Tarc May 2016 #99

WHOOSH indeed. -none May 2016 #100

It's not that awkard. If Bernie wins on pledged delegates, enough will switch to give him the win. stone space May 2016 #51

Well that's what I thought, but the Hillarians are acting like I slapped their baby silvershadow May 2016 #52

In the context of delegates, it is probably best not to use the word "pledged" for... stone space May 2016 #55

Obama was ahead, however Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #92

They don't vote until the convention, "commitments" are bullshit. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #60

I agree... Ino May 2016 #82

Here's a Hillary Super Delegate pdsimdars May 2016 #61

Indeed. Betty Karlson May 2016 #63

The problem of not having anywhere else to go. Rahm-ian principles applies HereSince1628 May 2016 #66

so discount the 3 MILLION MORE VOTES for hillary too?? Dream on and weep beachbum bob May 2016 #67

I will be weeping for the 2.5 million homeless American children put there by a status quo that rhett o rick May 2016 #86

The Hill 'selection' is guaranteed to flush the Third Way down the t-bowl and tear the Party apart yourpaljoey May 2016 #117

funny how they are still committed 523-39 - how awkward DrDan May 2016 #69

No they're not. As a matter of fact, under all of the many scenarios that the Sanders campaign.... George II May 2016 #71

I love these fantasies. Great way to start the morning with a laugh. JoePhilly May 2016 #73

We should have a HOF for these OP's. NCTraveler May 2016 #74

Really? How many of them have you talked to? MineralMan May 2016 #75

Florida? 'nuff said. nt silvershadow May 2016 #88

That's not an answer in any way, I'm afraid. MineralMan May 2016 #90

None of the super delegates that I know feel awkward or embarrassed... Sancho May 2016 #76

Maine Dems voted to abolish the Super-Delegate racket yesterday... NewImproved Deal May 2016 #78

Many Clinton supporters wanted the super delegate rule changed after the 2008 primary. annavictorious May 2016 #83

Perhaps you should take a look at presidential polls done in the spring of election years? eastwestdem May 2016 #87

I don't honestly believe they will move her forward under the circumstances silvershadow May 2016 #95

The problem is, what you may consider "tainting" may to most super delegates be anotherproletariat May 2016 #121

Or, they may view it as it actually is. nt silvershadow May 2016 #124

That's why so many super delegates are for Sanders? nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #131

No. But that pesky investigation continues... nt silvershadow May 2016 #132

Not pesky to anyone on the Hill side...since the State Department did approve the server. nt anotherproletariat May 2016 #133

Pesky to me, and millions of other good Democrats who believe their DNC would not taint silvershadow May 2016 #135

I'm sorry you think she is flawed. Please do your research and you will find that almost every anotherproletariat May 2016 #136

I will go with my own instincts on this one. That wonky stuff belongs in a class, especially silvershadow May 2016 #137

The lowest opinion polls are always seen right after the primary ends. Particulary in a anotherproletariat May 2016 #140

Oh they've been in the tank for months now. It has been all over DU. nt silvershadow May 2016 #141

Useless polls six months out from the election? Demsrule86 May 2016 #153

Clinton HAS "closed the deal" Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #91

Seems to me, that once the wheels fell of the bus months ago, Bernie is the actual silvershadow May 2016 #94

Only with Bernie is being way, way behind somehow winning. CrowCityDem May 2016 #128

Are you posting from bizarro world? Metric System May 2016 #101

Yes I am...from one in which the Supers pledged themselves to the weakest candidate silvershadow May 2016 #104

More people have voted for Hillary than Bernie. Millions more. Metric System May 2016 #116

Yes I know. The party has turned its' back on its' roots. nt silvershadow May 2016 #123

even your logo is a swipe from hillary. Is there any original thinking on Bernie's support team? MariaThinks May 2016 #102

Thanks for your concern anigbrowl May 2016 #103

lol holy shit this place has gotten crazily delusional. Drunken Irishman May 2016 #114

I think the disconnect will be much clearer soon. It appears we are throwing Union Labor silvershadow May 2016 #125

That became clear beltanefauve May 2016 #144

+1 nt silvershadow May 2016 #146

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe May 2016 #118

I find it ironic that when Democratic candidates have won the popular vote justiceischeap May 2016 #119

Funny...none of the SDs that I get to talk to want to change ship... brooklynite May 2016 #122

The reckoning will reverberate for decades, I'm afraid. nt silvershadow May 2016 #126

Right, and she prepared for this eventuality for a long time, elleng May 2016 #134

They declared before she even had policy positions. senz May 2016 #138

Oh I didn't realize she had any policy positions even yet..I will go look them up. silvershadow May 2016 #139

The weakest candidate has no hope of sealing any deal, it's why he's losing synergie May 2016 #145

You mean the Sanders delegates? Arneoker May 2016 #147

Oh please Demsrule86 May 2016 #150

they can switch... we shall see Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #151

It would only be awkward for them if Clinton supporters had any shame... n/t leeroysphitz May 2016 #154