2016 Postmortem

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151. The Primary is not over.

Reply to LaydeeBug (Reply #149)

Sun May 8, 2016, 06:50 PM

May 2016

That means Hillary has not won yet.

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I'm curious: What is your end game with Bernie? [View all] LaydeeBug May 2016 OP

The end game is to spend 24/7 attacking the Dem nominee, and... JaneyVee May 2016 #1

To be fair, they're not ignoring the Orange One. baldguy May 2016 #5

Dead on! pandr32 May 2016 #55

lol...I didn't see that coming...good one...nt Henhouse May 2016 #69

+1 n/t JTFrog May 2016 #70

Lol. Also to be fair, there are TWO major SBS factions -- Hortensis May 2016 #71

All very true. n/t Maru Kitteh May 2016 #168

I wouldn't be surprised if at least some of the leftist radicals and rightist reactionaries have Cal33 May 2016 #209

I would be surprised if they weren't here and am sure they are. Hortensis May 2016 #216

Bernie supporters like me have always compromised in every election and voted JDPriestly May 2016 #227

Hate Bernie supporters? I WAS one until Hortensis May 2016 #231

As a Bernie supporter, I find the Hillary supporters to be hateful. JDPriestly May 2016 #235

You and 0 professional observers. They're too Hortensis May 2016 #236

Hillary and her establishment supporters are making a huge mistake in dismissing Bernie JDPriestly May 2016 #248

Don't deflect. You projected the SBSer's famous hostile Hortensis May 2016 #249

The pendulum swings both ways Seeinghope May 2016 #262

No, it really doesn't. We're no angels, but we're Hortensis May 2016 #265

True extremism on either side is polarized Seeinghope May 2016 #268

If you were a Sanders supporter, you would agree with me. JDPriestly May 2016 #264

Twas a time when in some parts of our country, abolitionists and those who aided JDPriestly May 2016 #263

Damn true luxpara4 May 2016 #254

They wouldnt attack Bernie as they do if they werent aware he's a better candidate Baobab May 2016 #267

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #98

yep, and they don't think it's *them*. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #130

Let her do what she wants! Baobab May 2016 #138

He asked for Bernie supporters end game not whistler162 May 2016 #153

I think Hillary supporters have to ask themselves the same question about the FBI report leveymg May 2016 #204

There IS no Democratic nominee yet... no matter WHAT you think the definition of is is. cherokeeprogressive May 2016 #243

I think that the political fringes tend to be more self absorbed. They find it harder to except Trust Buster May 2016 #2

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #19

Except for the fact that all of the quotes you posted are true. By definition, the political fringes Trust Buster May 2016 #31

Go Trust Buster!! nt eastwestdem May 2016 #64

Stop insulting Democrats. FlaGranny May 2016 #29

I disagree. I believe Sanders and his supporters are fringe. The President touched on this Trust Buster May 2016 #33

If you can call FlaGranny May 2016 #43

Obama has not had control of the House since 2010 nor 60 votes in the Senate. A fact he reiterated Trust Buster May 2016 #44

Compromise does NOT mean starting by gutting one's own position and principles and... k8conant May 2016 #77

Well that's not an accurate characterization of how the President works anigbrowl May 2016 #152

That doesn't sound like a response to what I wrote. k8conant May 2016 #156

I think you should look back FlaGranny May 2016 #188

How do you figure that compromise is the only option? FlaGranny May 2016 #193

He may share some FDR values, but FDR was a rich establishment pol. just like Hillary. OhZone May 2016 #131

Although, FlaGranny May 2016 #187

Bernie has far more voters than either Hill or Trump. You so easily defend the corrupt status quo larkrake May 2016 #45

Far more voters than Hillary ? You don't even have to be good at math to know that's wrong. Trust Buster May 2016 #46

Indys and horrified anti-trump Repubs will vote Bernie over Hillary larkrake May 2016 #50

Anti-Trump voters will vote for Sanders you say ? You mean the people that don't think Trump is Trust Buster May 2016 #72

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #200

Hillary has more votes than Sanders or Trump. Where'd you get those numbers? brush May 2016 #73

Where does Hillary get her numbers, is the serious, real question. ancianita May 2016 #256

Ahhh . . . the voters. brush May 2016 #257

Exit polls, you say? Or the machine data reports? ancianita May 2016 #258

I don't get where you'e going with this brush May 2016 #259

Tell me why Hillary's voters numbers are so credible. Yesterday, Baltimore, decertifies its primary ancianita May 2016 #261

They aren't right wing AgingAmerican May 2016 #61

Compromise is fine. Compromising by opening the bidding Kall May 2016 #180

FlaGranny, SBS has 2 main factions of supporters: Hortensis May 2016 #75

Seriously? FlaGranny May 2016 #86

Well, my best guess would be that you are basically liberal but Hortensis May 2016 #87

That's quite insulting. FlaGranny May 2016 #195

Look, Gran. I pointed out that there are Hortensis May 2016 #207

Personally, I think a nominee under a criminal investigation gives Democrats a bad name. Fawke Em May 2016 #223

You are attributing FlaGranny May 2016 #234

You are insulting with this condescending nonsense.. mountain grammy May 2016 #208

My Dad who is 85 yrs. old is an FDR Democrat and he voted for Bernie oregonjen May 2016 #127

Sanders apparent lead against Trump is a mirage, due to the fact that a tiny fraction pnwmom May 2016 #132

Sanders has never posed enough of a threat for HRC to truly go negative on him Maru Kitteh May 2016 #174

The only way to go negative on Sanders FlaGranny May 2016 #197

Proudly wears it? He put "democratic" in front of socialist when he decided redstateblues May 2016 #252

The word "democratic" FlaGranny May 2016 #260

+1 uponit7771 May 2016 #99

I am starting to agree with you... nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #102

The end game is the Presidency inchhigh May 2016 #3

Bernie will not be the nominee metroins May 2016 #9

Perhaps a Dream but not a fantasy inchhigh May 2016 #16

And who would that be? metroins May 2016 #22

This is what just terrifies me about her inchhigh May 2016 #48

Have you ever been in California or Oregon? JDPriestly May 2016 #228

to see him back in the Senate as a registered Democrat DrDan May 2016 #4

Any bets on how long it will take BS to return to being an "Independent"? n/t SFnomad May 2016 #67

Unless he goes and change it drray23 May 2016 #202

I just love it when LWolf May 2016 #6

Even more humorous Fairgo May 2016 #108

Or, on the other hand, LWolf May 2016 #122

The end game is Hillary losing regardless of who wins Renew Deal May 2016 #7

Our end game is your not talking about us as 'other' --"Do you guys..." HereSince1628 May 2016 #8

Do you think most Sanders supporters were previously Democrats? The ones I know IRL eastwestdem May 2016 #65

I know some life long Democrats who supported Bernie griffi94 May 2016 #82

Makes sense...idealism can sometimes be its own worst enemy. eastwestdem May 2016 #85

Exactly right griffi94 May 2016 #88

Like parable of workers in the vineyard, it doesn't matter when they came, but that they came HereSince1628 May 2016 #91

Registered Democrat since 1981 Amaril May 2016 #107

The primary is STILL ON! And until it is done at the Convention your OP will just be bkkyosemite May 2016 #10

There. are. not. enough. votes. left. for Bernie. to win. even. if. he. wins. 100% of. the. votes. LaydeeBug May 2016 #173

Using a period after each word does not make your statement true Art_from_Ark May 2016 #221

I am so sorry but it's not over yet and I know it's killing you...take a coffee break bkkyosemite May 2016 #237

I know you're having a hard time dealing with facts and math and I *promise* LaydeeBug May 2016 #238

Don't need a reality check. Plenty of proof a rigged primary! bkkyosemite May 2016 #239

Of *course*. When *she* wins, it's rigged, and when *he* wins, LaydeeBug May 2016 #240

Big difference between the two wins...haven't you been watching? Gotcha bkkyosemite May 2016 #244

I've been watching, have you? She is winning. He isn't hitting his goals LaydeeBug May 2016 #245

Crooked math is crooked math. bkkyosemite May 2016 #246

continuing to win primaries does not damage his influence. virtualobserver May 2016 #11

What is this end game you speak of? hootinholler May 2016 #12

Agreed - this is a movement womanofthehills May 2016 #26

I don't know why you guys aren't electing the guy bringing it, but the mass crowds LaydeeBug May 2016 #113

Maybe it is the voter polls that change from Democrat to Independent, or even inactive? -none May 2016 #120

Of *course*. "When he wins, it's a revolution. When she wins, it's *rigged*" LaydeeBug May 2016 #135

Didn't I already address this? -none May 2016 #137

Didn't I address basic math? LaydeeBug May 2016 #142

The superdelagates beltanefauve May 2016 #177

By staying in until the last state had voted Eric J in MN May 2016 #13

I think he already has enough influence drray23 May 2016 #203

Well, he's not going to get out right before another winning streak. Fawke Em May 2016 #224

I'd explain how i see it....but not gonna bother talking to a wall Armstead May 2016 #14

To send a clear message that we won't reward lying, cheating, and anti-democratic behavior from a GoneFishin May 2016 #15

I don't care for you speaking of Democrats as the other, 'you guys' and all. Who are you to do that? Bluenorthwest May 2016 #17

Highest relevance of the values held by Bernie Sanders and liberal Democrats. PufPuf23 May 2016 #18

Pssssst, hey, don't tell everyone, it's a secret RobertEarl May 2016 #20

+1 SheenaR May 2016 #253

I don't know, what are you going to when Hillary's recommended for indictment? pinebox May 2016 #21

Until all the DINOs go back to being Repubs. Waiting For Everyman May 2016 #23

Hopefully some of the party leadership will take notice that 40-45% of their party... TCJ70 May 2016 #24

I'd like to think so, but more likely the conclusion they'll reach from this is: Arugula Latte May 2016 #68

Of *course*, because when Bernie wins, it's "a revoltuion" and when Hillary wins, "it's rigged" LaydeeBug May 2016 #92

meaning the majority of people voted for her how bout the "us" stop ignoring reality uponit7771 May 2016 #101

Good luck in the fall... TCJ70 May 2016 #116

only if you think its better to right off 55%... put me on ignore, facts are facts ignore wont uponit7771 May 2016 #118

The endgame? I dunno. Shadowflash May 2016 #25

keeping the issues alive oldandhappy May 2016 #27

End game: Long term movement TDale313 May 2016 #28

No, they absolutely do not get that this is not all about Bernie. Says a lot about intellect and djean111 May 2016 #37

THIS primary is indeed about Bernie. You see, he's losing, LaydeeBug May 2016 #139

It'll end shortly after the last primary. JoePhilly May 2016 #30

Win or lose, we will not be going away -none May 2016 #124

It's great that you plan to efffect change, but he has LOST the primary LaydeeBug May 2016 #149

The Primary is not over. -none May 2016 #151

Yes it is. Math is math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #190

How can it be over when the convention hasn't happened yet? -none May 2016 #194

Nope beltanefauve May 2016 #178

Yep. LaydeeBug May 2016 #191

Either he wins like a disney movie OR his people won't vote. mehneh May 2016 #32

You just won an ignore - who are you to lecture anyone? Feh. djean111 May 2016 #34

I am honored. I really mean that. LaydeeBug May 2016 #38

Rubbing our noses in it, eh? Maedhros May 2016 #60

I am not rubbing your nose in anything at all. LaydeeBug May 2016 #143

Ahhh... another Loyalty Oath Pledge thread. 99Forever May 2016 #35

Amen! BillZBubb May 2016 #78

Ahhh...another attempt at censorship... LaydeeBug May 2016 #171

You don't really have a fucking clue what censorship is. 99Forever May 2016 #186

And yet I know BASIC FUCKING MATH, and so do you. Pity. LaydeeBug May 2016 #189

Apparently you don't know BASIC FUCKING MATH... 99Forever May 2016 #199

Coronation? No. The primary that she *won* by getting more votes and more delegates. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #206

Nobody has won. 99Forever May 2016 #210

Math is math. LaydeeBug May 2016 #211

I'm. not fucking "getting. over" anything... 99Forever May 2016 #212

Oh, you *will* get the fuck over it, because math is math LaydeeBug May 2016 #213

Go Laydee!! Perfectly well said and every word of it true Number23 May 2016 #219

Delegates can and do switch. Fawke Em May 2016 #225

suuuuuuuuuuure they will....hundreds of them. LaydeeBug May 2016 #233

Do you people understand there are 40 million people in California who haven't voted. onecaliberal May 2016 #36

Do you people realize basic delegate math? LaydeeBug May 2016 #39

Thanks for proving my point. onecaliberal May 2016 #41

I have basic math skills...a good foundation in rudimentary reasoning LaydeeBug May 2016 #94

Post removed Post removed May 2016 #106

and yet STILL she has more votes than your guy. LaydeeBug May 2016 #111

For some, it will be holding their breath until they turn blue, MineralMan May 2016 #40

Nice to see you coming right out and saying how you really feel. Punkingal May 2016 #52

Always happy to oblige. MineralMan May 2016 #53

The fight against government corruption isn't about Bernie and will go on. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #42

There is no "end game". IF Sanders doesn't win this primary a lot of people will drop away mikehiggins May 2016 #47

The game doesn't end. It continues in 2017. JackRiddler May 2016 #49

The end comes when Hillary getting the nomination on the first ballot and sanders beachbumbob May 2016 #51

Until the primary is over. redwitch May 2016 #54

For ever. H2O Man May 2016 #56

I'm not a Bernie supporter when it comes to the Presidency, but... YoungDemCA May 2016 #57

The end is like any previous campaign in history, not when the third way gang decides.... dmosh42 May 2016 #58

I'm supporting the ideals behind Bernie's campaign, not just the man himself. Maedhros May 2016 #59

I'm supporting Bernie all the way until he wins or concedes the primary whatchamacallit May 2016 #62

An underlying mistake is the belief that this is about Sanders. mikehiggins May 2016 #63

+1 LWolf May 2016 #232

At this point I would like to send a warning message to the DNC that Arugula Latte May 2016 #66

Simple... Powdered Toast Man May 2016 #74

What does the Democratic Party and its presidential candidate do to prove they are Democrats? highprincipleswork May 2016 #76

The end game is the nomination. Blue_In_AK May 2016 #79

Hillary continued her primary battles in 2008 well after a win by her was mathematically impossible. merrily May 2016 #80

Speaking of Nader beltanefauve May 2016 #181

IOKIYAAC merrily May 2016 #183

The end game is obtaining the nomination, and voting for him in November and 2020 JonLeibowitz May 2016 #81

Spreading awareness of better options. Almost all of Sanders' policies will happen eventually icecreamfan May 2016 #83

To leave convention with the nomination. First, though, we have to concentrate on silvershadow May 2016 #84

There is no chance of Bernie leaving the Democratic convention with the nomination. None. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #89

I would suggest you argue any points you may think you have directly to Bernie, then, through silvershadow May 2016 #90

No thank you. I can do math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #93

There is no math but the vote at convention. Everything else is speculation. nt silvershadow May 2016 #95

Oh, is *that* the new meme? It still doesn't change the basic math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #96

No, that's the historical fact, per the rules we all agreed on. nt silvershadow May 2016 #97

Awww. So then Bernie concedes? Because math is math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #100

Heck no. After he wins several more contests this month, he may well be ahead silvershadow May 2016 #103

Oh *I* see. It's the old, "when he wins, it's a revolution, when she wins, it's rigged" O-kay LaydeeBug May 2016 #125

No, just simple FDR/Union labor views. You buys your ticket, you takes your chances. silvershadow May 2016 #155

Simple FDR/Union labor views include NOT enabling the GOP by staying ina primary you have LOST LaydeeBug May 2016 #157

I won't be. It's up to her to earn her votes. nt silvershadow May 2016 #158

She has indeed earned her votes, and she has MORE of them than your guy LaydeeBug May 2016 #161

Ok. Well, I know how those in my family voted. ;) nt silvershadow May 2016 #162

Me too. ;) nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #164

You may win the battle, but you will lose what little labor support there is, I fear. silvershadow May 2016 #165

She has won the battle, and we have to focus on the war...*you* can fear labor support LaydeeBug May 2016 #166

I fear the TPP- the furtherance of The Corporate State. It is about so much more than silvershadow May 2016 #167

I am sorry you fear so much. I still choose to be brave... LaydeeBug May 2016 #169

Another one makes its' way to my ignore list nt silvershadow May 2016 #170

I fell honored. LaydeeBug May 2016 #172

I like your attitude about volunteering. After all, there are still people who haven't voted. moriah May 2016 #110

THERE IS NO END GAME. We are Progressives, & will never quit fighting the bullshit in the Democratic highprincipleswork May 2016 #104

MY endgame DonCoquixote May 2016 #105

Another loyalty oath post? That Guy 888 May 2016 #109

Have not heard yet of the "geen Party". Something new? 7wo7rees May 2016 #112

To win Laughing Mirror May 2016 #114

Spare us Amaril May 2016 #115

Please wait until the nominee is selected in reality... DeGreg May 2016 #117

Bernie is only following the example of one of the 2008's candidates. Care to guess which one? A Simple Game May 2016 #119

It will continue until all fake Democrat neoliberal scum are driven out of the Democratic party, Zorra May 2016 #121

Just asking this question... SHRED May 2016 #123

There was no question. LaydeeBug May 2016 #128

You make the error of assuming it's about Bernie, a person. It's not. Bernie is the beginning n/t arcane1 May 2016 #126

This democratic primary is between Hillary and Bernie...if this a movement, LaydeeBug May 2016 #129

Look guys... lmbradford May 2016 #133

No, it's not about Bernie's contributions. It's about the GENERAL ELECTION LaydeeBug May 2016 #136

I'd like to have someone who isnt an East Coast drug warrior weigh in on any cannabis plank. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #134

Here you go: pat_k May 2016 #140

I don't know what was Obamas end game? You know, most of the Bernie supporters supported LiberalArkie May 2016 #141

Obama was winning in delegates. Bernie is not. Hillary had the popular vote then LaydeeBug May 2016 #146

It's not a game. bjo59 May 2016 #144

Feel the math.... smiley May 2016 #145

She should drop out now so the party can unite! B Calm May 2016 #147

Math is math. nt LaydeeBug May 2016 #148

Bernie is still in the race and I fully support him. Last time I checked Hillary still B Calm May 2016 #150

There is no "end game" this is not a game. It is movement and we will continue to organize push for Vincardog May 2016 #154

Thank you!! jillan May 2016 #159

No Thank you we need your help. Vincardog May 2016 #218

Obama did not point out basic math. He said we all know the math. morningfog May 2016 #160

He did, as he referred to Bernie Sander's camp in the past tense... LaydeeBug May 2016 #163

That quote and what you attribute to Obama in the op are morningfog May 2016 #175

^ This lovemydog May 2016 #182

I prefer to let Bernie speak for himself to answer that question: wundermaus May 2016 #176

They would be a wonderful addition as a long term wing of the party The Second Stone May 2016 #179

To promote progressive ideas marlakay May 2016 #184

I want him back in the Senate asap bigtree May 2016 #185

Write-in when the time comes, and only voting for down-ticket dems with low connection to Clinton. VulgarPoet May 2016 #192

This is neither the "end" nor a "game" Vote2016 May 2016 #196

Facitious... HumanityExperiment May 2016 #198

You are not the least bit curious. This is just another OP telling Bernie supporters to shut up! Silver_Witch May 2016 #201

Not at all...but he is NOT going to win...there aren't enough delegates left LaydeeBug May 2016 #215

My end game is none of your business. If you cared I would engage you in conversation. Silver_Witch May 2016 #220

They'll probably "disappear" for four years ... NurseJackie May 2016 #205

The end game is to let the process run its course bigwillq May 2016 #214

A democratic Administration, Congress and government... Orsino May 2016 #217

How would ANYBODY know what the popular vote was at this point unless they didn't want to? MrMickeysMom May 2016 #222

i'm in California. My plan is to vote for Bernie Sanders (as is my right) and do JDPriestly May 2016 #226

End game? Hear's my thoughts. The movement will carry on regardless. KPN May 2016 #229

We will continue this fight as long as people wrongly blame Nader for Gore's loss... lame54 May 2016 #230

No one blames Nader for what was STOLEN from Gore... LaydeeBug May 2016 #242

The end game is obvious. Have Bernie bury Trump in the general election. imagine2015 May 2016 #241

Re: deepestblue May 2016 #247

Off-topic, but that is a really nice picture of the whitehouse hueymahl May 2016 #255

Here's the link to the white house image you requested, hueymahl deepestblue May 2016 #266

For me personally, it's hoping the spirit redStateBlueHeart May 2016 #250

To cast my vote for Bernie on June 7 in NM pandora nm May 2016 #251