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2016 Postmortem

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Dragonfli

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Wed May 11, 2016, 11:14 AM May 2016

Mustn't we reevaluate our party since it is is going through a right wing realignment? [View all]

And has successfully been doing so since the founding of the DLC

The entire goal of the neoliberal, "new" Democrat movement, under Al From and the Clintons (and all the other "new Democrats" AKA "Third Way" Democrats) has been since at least the 80's, to court and bring into the fold moderate Republicans, replacing the working class voters with them.

They refer to the RW takeover of the party as an "intellectual leveraged buyout" And history shows they DID take over the party.

My suggested most current reading on the subject would be Thomas Frank's new book, Listen, Liberal – or – What Ever Happened to the Party of the People?


[center][font size="4"; color="B22222"]If Sanders does not bring the party back, one must realize they will complete the realignment[/font][/center]

It may well likely be too late to reclaim the party from within if he fails, so we must consider all viable options in order to keep a party of the people, not an easy task, which is why Bernie Sanders calls such a task a political revolution. That is not hyperbole but honesty.

If true liberal ideals, a moral economy, and an equal society that grows beyond bigotry in all it's forms is to ever be achievable again, let alone in time to stop the demise of many species including our own. It will be nearly impossible by the method we had hoped for, that is, by saving the party from it's complete makeover and thus reclaiming it because in a few years such will no longer be a viable option. Let me explain if I might.

Those that vote for hawkish Neo-Liberals such as Clinton are not in denial, they are simply not at all like the Democrats of the pre "intellectual leveraged buyout of the Party" by the Koch funded DLC, beginning before, but put actively into legislative practice by William J. Clinton and his DLC allies with the assist of Newt Gingrich beginning in 1992 (Welfare destruction, deregulation and tough on mostly minority crime bills) were passed with a purpose, one that continues unto our present day.

They are indeed not in denial or uneducated politically as some may assume, but rather they are like the candidates they support, neo-liberals. Some are also even neocons as well, much like Hillary Clinton.

Many of us call these sort of voters limousine liberals, or latte' liberals but they are something else (more accurate and less derogatory).

I have understood this a long time, most are comfortable financially (not necessarily rich yet many are) but able to always pay their bills, save for retirement, usually live in the 'burbs and own at least two cars (plus a starter car for their teenage child old enough to drive).

They like to consider themselves politically correct, believe in equality just enough to support it verbally and feel "evolved" (while thinking they deserve a badge for doing so) but would never put themselves in harms way for the rights and equality that sound as good to them coming out of their mouths as their own flatulence smells to them coming out of their own asses (they detect a whiff of roses when they breath it in). It becomes hard to ignore that such declarations, formed of methane as they are, are meaningless slogans, with little action to support such claims of "equal rights".

They ARE moderate Republicans (like the ones that no longer exist outside the Democratic party), I remember back when most Republicans were sane and many (certainly not the Goldwater or John Birch types though) believed in civil rights, choice and other equality issues, they were different in that they believed in Republican fiscal values, the old bootstrap philosophy made popular by Ayn Rand (even if the Democratic version would never admit it).

The party is going through a realignment, as parties do over the course of decades, (just as the Republican Party once was the anti-slavery party but have been quite the opposite for a long time now) - The Democratic party is changing into the moderate Republican party of my childhood (except they are far more hawkish than the old Rs used to be). There is no more room for the new Deal, The Great Society, or the working class in this newly realigning party.

The Republicans have also been going through a realignment during the same 35 year period as ours has. One of the reasons one no longer finds Moderate Republicans in the Republican Party, but only in ours, under their new (D) banner. Their realignment has already turned them into the modern equivalent of the John Birch Society wackos of old, but they are not finished yet, just as we are not finished yet.

Once the Realignments of the parties are complete, ours will be fully Republican, with no vestige of economic morality left, even in the "fringe" that was once the heart of the party. The Republicans in their completion will be the Fascist US party (they of course like the brand name they already have, Republican sounds so much like a "Republic" (a form of representative democracy this country was first created to be, and if one believes the bullshit group psychosis still is), so they will never call themselves Fascists.

I suppose the question to the average Citizen is, do you want to be-
A Republican (under a new brand name)?
A Fascist (under a new brand name)?

Or hope the worst of the newly realigned parties self destructs, leaving room in our two party system for some form of labor party like the Democratic party once was (perhaps the Democratic party itself), with a deep belief as well in full equality for all of us and a livable, for our type of mammal, biosphere. (personalty I hope the one turning fascist is the one that self destructs, but that is just me). If/when such, which now appears inevitable, happens, perhaps it will leave the Neoliberal/ Neocon coalition as the party occupying the newly opened space in our two party system to grow in greed and corporate acquiescence, while attempting to promote coups and wars worldwide.

If not, it will leave an open space for those that are not global corporatists and war seeking profiteers to reclaim a newly formed labor party, Those of us so much like the pre 80's Democratic party of Social Democracy made popular for and by the working class and which would again welcome a New Deal, Great Society, Civil Liberty, war on Poverty, and green initiative style of governance that used to hold the spot now held by these "New" Democrats, these "Moderate" Republicans that have taken to wearing those itchy Democratic suits ever since they took over the party of the people and turned it into the party of Corporations, Banks, And war that relies on poverty as the fuel for it's new gilded age dripping with the blood of innocents.

Ours has to be more than a labor party, but it must be that and more, it must also include equality and unity for moral reasons of course, but also for a very pragmatic reason. We need to repair a biosphere so terribly damaged that it will take (all hands on deck in unity) if it is to matter enough, and in time, so that it may continue supporting our form of life rather than succumbing to yet another series of ELEs That will leave our earth very, different and without our species - to have yet another go at continuing it's varying evolution experiments among the remaining species to suit the new environment.

I only ask that you give this perspective some thought, and come to your own conclusions

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Hillary and the DNC are not right wing. They are more moderate than you like, that's all. CrowCityDem May 2016 #1
Aiding and abetting the ongoing power grab of Wall St and Corporate Monopolists is not moderate Armstead May 2016 #3
Well Said! Ferd Berfel May 2016 #38
If allowing the people to decide is a CHANGE that reduces profits it may beforbidden by trade policy Baobab May 2016 #44
If TPP is enacted Ferd Berfel May 2016 #90
And bumper-stickers filled with the flavor-of-the-day pejoratives are not arguments. LanternWaste May 2016 #41
Not the flavor of the day Armstead May 2016 #43
And yet funnily enough whatthehey May 2016 #154
The 70's were a mess and the Democrats were trying to figure out what to be Armstead May 2016 #155
So ok Clinton's didn't start it. When should we grab the platform of the *real* Dem party? whatthehey May 2016 #156
There never was a Golden Era....But on balance the Dems had more principles Armstead May 2016 #157
And Clinton and Obama likewise whatthehey May 2016 #158
You're either getting hoodwinked or you're doing the hoodwinking. Broward May 2016 #4
You need to realize what the right wing actually is. CrowCityDem May 2016 #5
The Right wing is pro War ,pro Wall Street, against Single Payer , just like Hillary. bahrbearian May 2016 #8
Bernie voted to remove Saddam, build F-35s, deregulate derivatives. He's a conservative!! CrowCityDem May 2016 #12
Lol and Hillary is a Progressive who like to get things done" Like War, Coups, and Donations bahrbearian May 2016 #16
That kind of stuff is only conservative... TwilightZone May 2016 #17
Remind me of the Vote Bernie made to remove Saddam was It the IRW? bahrbearian May 2016 #21
1999. Authored by Rumsfeld. Made regime change the official US stance. CrowCityDem May 2016 #22
but regime change does not, nor does it always, come through war. Saddam was a Exilednight May 2016 #28
A conservative Democratic Socialist? Twisting political categories to avoid the painful truth about Kip Humphrey May 2016 #26
I'm saying you can't use two positions to determine the whole. CrowCityDem May 2016 #46
Could it be a Democratic supply sider? immoderate May 2016 #9
They are playing their assigned role. Nothing more. arcane1 May 2016 #20
OK , you convinced me. bahrbearian May 2016 #6
And yet you think Bernie and his supporters are fringe Left wing? -none May 2016 #7
Heh. Bernie is just LBJ with a 4-barrel carburetor. Eleanors38 May 2016 #77
I do not support her in the Primary SheenaR May 2016 #10
Comparing us to Europe doesn't work. Different people, differing issues. CrowCityDem May 2016 #11
I disagree with you SheenaR May 2016 #13
Bernie is the center? Who in this country is to his left? CrowCityDem May 2016 #18
I didn't say center SheenaR May 2016 #23
We don't live in vaccuums. CrowCityDem May 2016 #45
This isn't family feud. Just because we have no serious left... arendt May 2016 #53
If there is no, as you put it, serious left, the center is not where you think it is. CrowCityDem May 2016 #58
If left,right, and center mean different things in different places, they are meaningless words. arendt May 2016 #63
I didn't say the center's 'ok', just that it's the center. Center is a measurement, not a philosophy CrowCityDem May 2016 #66
A measurement is not a policy. arendt May 2016 #69
Liberal is immediately to the left of center. Conservative immediately to the right AgingAmerican May 2016 #106
There are 3 centres. The center between the Republicans and the Democrats. And then the two Seeinghope May 2016 #116
We have anti-business leftists who oppose capitalism. senz May 2016 #78
The American center isn't far enough left. forjusticethunders May 2016 #34
Well, can't say you're wrong. Chris Hedges agrees with you. arendt May 2016 #54
I want a left that: forjusticethunders May 2016 #84
First off, read history as to why that has happened nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #86
"The Turner Raids" Sparkly May 2016 #130
1917 nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #145
There is some overlap in our positions, but... arendt May 2016 #126
Tell us how you really feel forjusticethunders May 2016 #128
The issues are real. Identity politics is the wrong approach. arendt May 2016 #138
"no rule as to when", not "no real as to when" n/t arendt May 2016 #139
Minefield ahead...oh well nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #151
When we're past racism and sexism, that might make sense. Sparkly May 2016 #131
IP is not going to get us past racism arendt May 2016 #140
This. All of this. vintx May 2016 #132
From where you stand that is, she looks lefty to you All in it together May 2016 #29
Pro fracking AgingAmerican May 2016 #31
Not to mention... Ferd Berfel May 2016 #39
also not to mention, bvar22 May 2016 #95
translation; Ferd Berfel May 2016 #98
"Corporations are Free at last!" reddread May 2016 #159
+1 Proud Liberal Dem May 2016 #36
They are Right Wing by definition, their goals and their actions, their only "moderation" lies in Dragonfli May 2016 #40
That's fine. It doesn't change that Hillary is to the left of TODAY'S center. CrowCityDem May 2016 #49
I disagree, besides, you are CHANGING DEFINITION AGAIN did you not read the polls that refute even Dragonfli May 2016 #52
Since there is no set philosophy from the "center party", of course I meant the center of our two. CrowCityDem May 2016 #56
More rhetorical bullshit arendt May 2016 #55
Jim Crow used to be 'centrist' policy. Politics changes with time. CrowCityDem May 2016 #59
Who cares. Jim Crow was heinous wherever on your phony L/R/C scale you put it. arendt May 2016 #71
I'm not defending anything. CrowCityDem May 2016 #72
I don't think there are "center" policies. arendt May 2016 #73
So you can't define the center, and yet it can never shift? Yeah, that's a solid argument. CrowCityDem May 2016 #75
It doesn't shift because it doesn't exist/ arendt May 2016 #76
OMG!!!! Not "Goodbye FOREVER". Crushing blow. nt COLGATE4 May 2016 #101
At least you tried. Reality doesn't matter cause they're with her. nt vintx May 2016 #133
They appear to have constructed their own reality, it really is quite fascinating in a detached way Dragonfli May 2016 #143
There is no such thing as 'todays' center AgingAmerican May 2016 #107
Actually what it does not change is that HRC nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #146
Yeah, because that platform... CrowCityDem May 2016 #150
Because of actions like pushing for trade agreements that benefit nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #153
Here is an objective, unbiased analysis from politicalcompass.org tabasco May 2016 #47
That compares us to Europe. I'm talking about American politics. CrowCityDem May 2016 #48
Again, this is the equivalent of "moral relativism" arendt May 2016 #61
Everything is relative. CrowCityDem May 2016 #64
Fine. Then, from where I stand, you are a complete propagandist. arendt May 2016 #70
We actually have an active communist party in the United States nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #85
"And political science paradigms are not dependent on relative things." Thank you for stating that. Dragonfli May 2016 #120
You welcome and RWers used to do this as well nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #144
Right versus left are universal standards, not "U.S. standards" tabasco May 2016 #74
No, that puts our politics in a standard political science structure nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #82
Political science is not that malleable nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #79
What does "Moderate" mean? AgingAmerican May 2016 #105
They're moderate all right - LiberalElite May 2016 #161
This genie is out of the bottle... this party will change forever when Sanders is denied yourpaljoey May 2016 #2
The timid and Republican lite Democrats simply create a bigger monster Republican Party all the time highprincipleswork May 2016 #14
Our party is indergoing a left-wing realignment. Long overdue. n/t Orsino May 2016 #15
??? With Hillary leading the party? BillZBubb May 2016 #30
Despite Clinton's likely win. Orsino May 2016 #33
That's right. Not all at once, but it is already underway. And now that Sanders has silvershadow May 2016 #57
my hope Fairgo May 2016 #81
I disagree. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #147
It's still happening to our party. Orsino May 2016 #148
There is a nasty sub rosa conflict nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #149
Recommended! H2O Man May 2016 #19
Any compliment from you I consider high praise as your posts have always been so well thought out Dragonfli May 2016 #42
My thanks to both of you, both of you organize your thoughts and write them down mrdmk May 2016 #99
H2O and Dragon... Optimism May 2016 #115
Excellent job you two. n/t JimDandy May 2016 #152
This message was self-deleted by its author potisok May 2016 #51
Liberal and progressive ideals are much, much more important than the Party. [n/t] Maedhros May 2016 #24
Just because Bernie gets support from primarily white voters in conservative areas ... Onlooker May 2016 #25
The Democratic Party started to leave me when I was told it was a big tent that included Rick djean111 May 2016 #27
I came to the conclusion that the democratic party is not my party so I left it. Autumn May 2016 #32
This is the Party's strategy: Maedhros May 2016 #109
Jamie Dimon whipping votes on the Senate floor at Obama's behest was the final straw. Autumn May 2016 #111
I left in 2009 or so, came back for Bernie, will leave ASAP. Maedhros May 2016 #114
Barney Frank, Wall Street banker, in charge of DNC rules committe? amborin May 2016 #35
Laughable and insulting Dem2 May 2016 #37
LOL!! "Right wing realignment" Sparkly May 2016 #50
I think it is going through a "progressive vs. elitist" realignment even more than a "right vs. left Attorney in Texas May 2016 #60
That sounds about right to me! Seeinghope May 2016 #117
Better idea: The losers could start their own party. The majority wins in this Country. Lil Missy May 2016 #62
Right, and I can start my own car company in my garage. arendt May 2016 #67
Take heart. They may take the radical step of redesigning the donut logo and.... Tierra_y_Libertad May 2016 #65
I've decided I will no longer aid and abet the rightward drift of the party by voting for DINOs. Arugula Latte May 2016 #68
++ Vincardog May 2016 #93
Remember the day when it was Democrats that were blocking women from voting? ViseGrip May 2016 #80
and another three general party realignments. nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #87
Not sure many want to question it. oldandhappy May 2016 #83
Seems like you should have done some introspection about the 'revolution' -BEFORE the 'revolution'. randome May 2016 #88
Great post! K&R Sky Masterson May 2016 #89
K&R We need representation, period. felix_numinous May 2016 #91
I have to admit that I stopped registering Democrat after Bill Clinton's first term. bjo59 May 2016 #92
MEGACHURCH MOMS! Warren DeMontague May 2016 #94
Excellent Essay, Dragonfli bvar22 May 2016 #96
I'm sure you were quite pleased with my FDR quote in response to a sock that claims that Hillary Dragonfli May 2016 #110
this sure ain't the party of elana i am May 2016 #113
I ask myself that every time I visit this site now vintx May 2016 #134
Good post we should have had this conversation after the conservative Clinton administration. I am Todays_Illusion May 2016 #97
Well said! Dark n Stormy Knight May 2016 #100
So Long, Centrist Democrats BlueStateLib May 2016 #102
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2016 #103
you had the chance to 're-align' the party bigtree May 2016 #104
I did not, nor have ever wished to realign the party as a Right wing fiscal party that Resembles Dragonfli May 2016 #108
you sure talk some twaddle bigtree May 2016 #122
Pretty long winded answer tio dance your way out of falsely claiming I wanted a party realignment Dragonfli May 2016 #135
So basically you're saying that you reject reality and substitute it with your own? vintx May 2016 #137
Yes we must. Optimism May 2016 #112
Another OUTSTANDING OP Dragonfli! 2banon May 2016 #118
You are most welcome, all I do is simply speak my mind, I have payed attention for decades /nt Dragonfli May 2016 #119
Yes, I believe Bernie supporters are probably the most highly informed of the entire electorate. 2banon May 2016 #127
Call me a "moderate" for saying this if you will, but... moriah May 2016 #121
K&R.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #123
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast May 2016 #124
THIS is what so many Democrats today don't grok. At ALL. Triana May 2016 #125
So incredibly well thought out, I wish more people saw this dynamic for what it is. vintx May 2016 #129
Thank you so much for this thread. myrna minx May 2016 #136
It is not a "right wing alignment." It is a right (as in correct) alignment. The days of just Jitter65 May 2016 #141
You didn't read the OP, it is coming from politicians and corporate "think tanks" Dragonfli May 2016 #142
Yes, we must. LWolf May 2016 #160
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