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2016 Postmortem

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kiva

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Tue May 17, 2016, 02:50 PM May 2016

Where were those chairs, Jon? [View all]

Jon Ralson, a Las Vegas based newsman, reported that Sanders "threw chairs at the stage as they rushed forward to try to take control of a convention they had lost" https://www.ralstonreports.com/blog/sour-grapes-revolution-rocked-paris-hotel

I was there and didn't see any chairs thrown, but it was a big room and I could have missed it. So I asked four other people who were seated/standing in different parts of the room, and none of them had seen it either.

I watched at least a dozen videos of the end of the convention and no one was throwing chairs.

A poster here said s/he was there and saw someone pick up a chair, but then put it back down.

Last night I was messaging a delegate who was seated at the front of the room, and she didn't see any chair thrown either.

Ralston also repeated the lie that Sanders' supporters booed Nina Turner, despite the fact that she tweeted that was a lie.

In a normal world this wouldn't matter, but this isn't a normal world. People have taken Ralson's unproved allegation and used it to refer to the protest as a "riot". He uses the lie about Turner to show Sanders supporters as hostile even to allies.

Ralston and his minions post and repost the threats against Lange but completely ignore the fact that Christine Kramer, who was removed as the credentials chair the night before the county convention, also received threats but that those threats were ignored by the Democratic party. In Kramer's words "The party has allowed the harassment of those who are not in power for a very long time. It was inevitable with how the party culture has been so negative toward the activists for so long that there would be this blowback."

If you want a textbook case on how the media can vilify a group of people in an attempt to deflect criticism from a party, Ralson is the perfect example.

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Drumpf is gonna steal the election, with the help of BoB AND Hillary supporters Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #1
For someone who keeps insisting they are a Bernie supporter, kiva May 2016 #5
You've noticed that too, eh? QC May 2016 #10
Pretty much every post I've seen from them kiva May 2016 #19
Reminds me of those really transparent freeper types who call CSPAN QC May 2016 #21
He or she is no Bernie supporter. ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #11
Or those of us who now believe nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #14
Not enough, if BoB act like this in Philly, and if DNC organizers arent also reasonable Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #20
Sorry Jackie catnhatnh May 2016 #88
Hillary supporters own trump's presidency timmymoff May 2016 #51
Way to go Timmy, supporting Drumpf even if thru the backdoor...sad Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #58
Jackie, you support Trump throught the backdoor timmymoff May 2016 #60
I and ALL Liberals will be fighting on the OPPOSITE side of you Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #61
Jackie Wilson Said—If you are for Hillary Clinton, rather than Bernie Sanders, you are not "liberal" CobaltBlue May 2016 #62
1. I am a Bernie voter 2. If Bernie loses, I and ALL liberals will vote for Hillary Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #64
Jackie Wilson Said—I'm not interested in your post-primaries intentions. CobaltBlue May 2016 #75
You won't fight for shit timmymoff May 2016 #65
You embarrass real liberals like myself who have fought the fight for decades. Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #66
You arent a liberal dear timmymoff May 2016 #67
LOL ...oh god, if you only knew... Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #68
I can tell by your faux support for sanders timmymoff May 2016 #71
You are embarrassing yourself, you really are. I have forgotten more Jackie Wilson Said May 2016 #73
I do not care about your opinion of me. timmymoff May 2016 #74
that isn't liberal that is lessor of two evils timmymoff May 2016 #76
and a textbook case of inciting hysteria in those who do not value evidence.. grasswire May 2016 #2
Ms. Corporate Puppet (aka Maddow) showed them. Oh wait, that WAS stock footage of people Skwmom May 2016 #3
From an old Jerry Springer show no doubt notadmblnd May 2016 #6
I think it was a WWF wrestling match. I kept expecting tRUMP to show up on screen! nt 2cannan May 2016 #53
Lol, Thanks for the visual notadmblnd May 2016 #83
She nattered on and on about how crazy the Bernie people were, lagomorph777 May 2016 #7
She doesn't have a shred of integrity left. They should study her show in journalism class as an Skwmom May 2016 #32
Please tell me she did not do that. She can't be THAT fake! arcane1 May 2016 #9
She did do that. And then she showed a clip from the convention winter is coming May 2016 #24
Rovian tactic.. state a lie, get the social media sites to pick it up, eventually making to lapfog_1 May 2016 #26
And she participated in it. She's smart enough to know better. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #27
I think she is far from the sharpest tool in the shed because her manipulative b.s. is so obvious. Skwmom May 2016 #33
Where was that ? puffy socks May 2016 #30
Last night at the beginning of her show I believe. Skwmom May 2016 #87
Their lies are just part of their ploy to destroy Sanders notadmblnd May 2016 #4
This is a really well-written summary of what happened and there is no mention of chairs being 2cannan May 2016 #8
But there are two elections today. They including Rachel jwirr May 2016 #80
The way they describe it there was bloodshed and many corpses Sky Masterson May 2016 #12
Best summation I have seen! me b zola May 2016 #48
LOLZ! TheKentuckian May 2016 #81
Hmmm it gets more interesting nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #13
why would Clinton supporters harrass Kramer? bigtree May 2016 #15
Christine never said it was Clinton supporter who harassed her. kiva May 2016 #17
And yet.. disillusioned73 May 2016 #16
It is not hard to make up fake twitter shots. Skwmom May 2016 #35
It must be tough to be a Clinton messaging operative. lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #18
It is an ABSOLUTE certainty the next president will be white. underthematrix May 2016 #28
She's not disheveled. n/t lumberjack_jeff May 2016 #29
You're right underthematrix May 2016 #41
And if you're voting on that basis, I cant help you. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #44
NOPE - it's just shorthand underthematrix May 2016 #49
She's certainly connected. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #50
That's really sexist to comment on her appearance. I thought such things were off-base? nt 2cannan May 2016 #56
It is vitally important that our president be sheveled. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #40
This is funny underthematrix May 2016 #42
That's a bit harsh, calling Hillary disheveled. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #52
The old angry and disheveled meme belongs to underthematrix May 2016 #54
I think you are confused. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2016 #85
Lay off the crack ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #69
And you should lay off the underthematrix May 2016 #77
Hardy har har ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #79
No the line of the day is "I saw it on TEEVEE!!!!!" azurnoir May 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author kiva May 2016 #23
They have to belive Ralston and company. kiva May 2016 #25
I got another piece of observation nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #31
Everything that I've seen about chair throwing kiva May 2016 #34
I am in the business and this is off nadinbrzezinski May 2016 #37
Every damn person in that room no doubt had a cell phone with a camera Warren DeMontague May 2016 #38
Chair throwage! kiva May 2016 #45
Or chairish throwerry, if you're not into the whole brevity thing Warren DeMontague May 2016 #47
Lots of chair clownery, gaveling and stomping off the stage as in Roberta Lange, Nev Dem Party Chair 2cannan May 2016 #59
Here's the chair throw video...warning...scary stuff! Snarkoleptic May 2016 #89
"Chair throwing" just SOUNDS good. Warren DeMontague May 2016 #36
Yeah, me and my friends, kiva May 2016 #39
Isnt that what cirque de soleil is for? Warren DeMontague May 2016 #43
Okay - laughed out loud. enlightenment May 2016 #84
Great Post pmorlan1 May 2016 #46
K&R. n/t winter is coming May 2016 #55
He's a Liar and A Shill- he, along with J Capehart have no business being referred to as journalists AzDar May 2016 #57
More AstroTurf from the Hillbots...it will continue just like the beatings will continue, until haikugal May 2016 #63
Maybe we should ask him to look for Hillary's transcripts. winter is coming May 2016 #70
K&R x 1000!! Excellent and VERY necessary OP. senz May 2016 #72
NPR and NYTimes are both pushing the "chairs thrown" lie. senz May 2016 #78
If chairs had been thrown... dchill May 2016 #82
Go Bernie liberal from boston May 2016 #86
So ashamed of the Party right now. MaeScott May 2016 #90
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