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In reply to the discussion: Decent argument against Sanders tuition free college plan here [View all]CentralMass
(15,265 posts)68. Here is a CNN article about Sander' plan
Last edited Sat Jun 4, 2016, 05:17 PM - Edit history (1)
http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/26/pf/college/tuition-free-college-bernie-sanders/The executive summary of is is that Sanders plan would cover tuition and fees for state schools which is probably about a 1/4 of the cost of college for students living on campus. It would certainly be very beneficial to students who commute.
The plans call for provisions to insure that a family does not have to pay more then it can afford for the remaining costs via Federal grants etc..
However, how did we get to the point in this country where this is a bad idea ? Why are we even discussion having to worry about funding our decaying public education system and helping with secondary education with a country with this kind of wealth.
When did investing in the public become a bad idea to both parties ?
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Apparent contradiction from one paragraph to the next? Or am I misreading this?
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#2
Correct, if by SOL you mean status quo (that would be admitting the status quo is broken, though)
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#12
If you are talking about "states" ok. But you are really talking about people who are affected by
Jitter65
Jun 2016
#81
Sure, and that's a reasonable point. I just think the logical flaws in that editorial are glaring.
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#26
I'm comfortable with how I've presented my case. I never expected to satisfy you.
JonLeibowitz
Jun 2016
#53
I think states will fall into line when students dont enroll in their colleges
larkrake
Jun 2016
#88
Most states require 1-2 years residency without going to school in order to qualify as in-state /nt
trudyco
Jun 2016
#123
not any states I have lived in, or worked in its an obvious problem,so I think the plan would cover
larkrake
Jun 2016
#129
Did I go into healthcare? Nope. I simply stated an analysis that has already been done on both.
tonyt53
Jun 2016
#30
No, there is not. You clearly have an agenda that is counter to what the poor need.
tonyt53
Jun 2016
#39
Poor have no need for the liberal arts I guess, huh? Bread and Roses, Bread and Roses.
HERVEPA
Jun 2016
#63
they should be closing their football succubus programs as well. College football should be a
larkrake
Jun 2016
#87
Next thing will be, every developed country in the world will be wanting free college.
B Calm
Jun 2016
#5
Don't tell that to Brazil, Germany, Finland, France, Norway, Slovenia and Sweden
B Calm
Jun 2016
#80
they already have free college and have extended their hand to american students
larkrake
Jun 2016
#92
I've been making the same point about the states, only to be told I'm a conservative.
CrowCityDem
Jun 2016
#7
Free tuition at public universities is a great goal. Sanders plan doesn't rely on states to pay for
emulatorloo
Jun 2016
#15
Thanks! will correct to say Sanders does not put full burden on state, more on Wall Street
emulatorloo
Jun 2016
#25
Yes but most states are already contributing that much for the cost of attendance
aikoaiko
Jun 2016
#125
That doesn't negate the fact that free tuition at public universities is a worthy goal
emulatorloo
Jun 2016
#44
Indeed. Just gotta kick the Republicans out of Congress so we can get it done
emulatorloo
Jun 2016
#86
Yes, and criticizing Bernie's plan doesn't mean you don't agree with the goal.
CrowCityDem
Jun 2016
#58
If you are making five dollars now I would agree there has not been much increases in salaries.
Thinkingabout
Jun 2016
#134
We can't have an educated populace. It would eliminate the excuse to bring in cheap labor. nt
Live and Learn
Jun 2016
#20
re 1 of your questions, "Why would a student ever desire to attend a Community College"
thesquanderer
Jun 2016
#37
No, many students don't have qualifications that are competative enough for that.
kiva
Jun 2016
#115
Just another "No, we can't" from the third way gang. Imagine if JFK & LBJ were like that?
dmosh42
Jun 2016
#36
Oh, I well remember, but people were creative in trying to make it happen, like going to the moon...
dmosh42
Jun 2016
#66
So true, a republican chant that proves to me Clinton is repug- lite, maybe not so lite
larkrake
Jun 2016
#94
Do you idiots realize that STATES already budget money for higher education and might welcome the
Skwmom
Jun 2016
#42
They do.. And Republican State legislatures are doing their best to shrink the budgets to nothing.
emulatorloo
Jun 2016
#48
The plan isn't to replace the money states already spend. It is to replace tuition
Orangepeel
Jun 2016
#78
Only hard core Repug Governors would veto this, and their colleges will be abandoned by students
larkrake
Jun 2016
#95
I didn't realize that his proposal allows states to opt out. How would that work?
ContinentalOp
Jun 2016
#50
I support financially free tuition if one performs social service in exchange.
David__77
Jun 2016
#54
why should this land on the kids? Their social service is getting proficient at their careers
larkrake
Jun 2016
#98
they have dealt with difficult details for over 200 years which is why we have SS, Medicare,
larkrake
Jun 2016
#102
hes angry but not unrealistic. I'm angry, my neighbors are angry, my state is angry
larkrake
Jun 2016
#130
Makes me wonder what happened to Bill and Hill. Did life beat them into submission.
larkrake
Jun 2016
#103
can't = fear of success. I run into this even with my most talented students, they are programed
larkrake
Jun 2016
#100
Yes, investing in the future of the down trodden masses would be too liberating.
CentralMass
Jun 2016
#59
You wave away over a trillion dollars in new proposals from Clinton awfully easily. nt
BootinUp
Jun 2016
#71
Nope. They are not. And she will be rolling out more on her corporate tax plans in the near future.
BootinUp
Jun 2016
#113
I hope you are right, I really do, but historically, she is in a bubble against the middle class
larkrake
Jun 2016
#128
I don't benefit from free college. I'm 63/no kids. But it's the ethical thing to do. I support it.
EndElectoral
Jun 2016
#132