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2016 Postmortem
In reply to the discussion: Let's try this again. Re: "...the Democrats' Racial Rift" [View all]Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)12. Rep. Keith Ellison was one of the first to sound the alarm that Trump could be the GOP nom
He was on a George S.'s show, and two white liberal people laughed their asses off at his now proven-correct assessment that white Americans are just scary-racist enough to make that a reality. Ellison has history on his side and knew the score.
Minority voters have been watching in horror as millions of Republican voters choose Trump either because of, or despite, his open bigotry. The Sanders supporters who toy with the idea of shunning Clinton in November and allowing Trump to become president to force a revolution that Sanders couldnt deliver are playing with fire. To minority voters, Trumps candidacy feels like an existential threat. Its one thing for Republicans to either ignore or embrace his racism; the party already seems unwilling or incapable of making the kinds of adjustments it must to attract more non-white voters. Its quite another for white Democrats to not appreciate how liberal minorities feel about the possibility of a Trump presidency and what that would say about the state of racial progress in America. It would be a slap in the face, the latest sign that a kind of white privilegethrowing a temper tantrum because they dont get their way despite how much it hurts people of coloris deeply rooted within liberal, Democratic ranks as well.
Fortunately I think the Bernie supporters who won't work against Trump, or even plan to vote for him, will be very small.
But I think it is true that voters of color perceived early on the existential threat that Trump poses--being able to yawn him off as some chimera of the "Powers That Be" isn't an indulgence that many can afford. It's also why women, LGBT, and other minorities banded together with people of color (who also include all of the other groups mentioned) to create a force to defeat him.
That force manifested itself in its vote for one candidate, and not for another. Different conditions might have created more of a space for a Sanders or Sanders-type candidate to gain more traction--it just wasn't going to be this election.
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Get the POC to hate the most liberal people. Not because it makes sense for a POC. Ask yourself
brewens
Jun 2016
#1
I find it in bad form to tell a person what his or her priorities should be....
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2016
#7
I just read a post in bravenak's thread, which exemplifies what I'm talking about.
Garrett78
Jun 2016
#14
So, you weren't addressing the message, just attacking the messenger. Got it.
Garrett78
Jun 2016
#25
I love how people invent stories about us and try to spread them around like the gospel
bravenak
Jun 2016
#47
My mother was a Panther in the day but she never took to the NOI. Said that they were much
Number23
Jun 2016
#60
I met a guy once and liked him. Until he tried to 'convert' me to the Nation of Islam.
bravenak
Jun 2016
#61
Don't forget, make up stuff about black posters all while screaming about how the Nation of Islam
Number23
Jun 2016
#54
"Bernie supporters were somehow all old privileged white guys laughable. Classic projection."
Starry Messenger
Jun 2016
#45
And my point is that label isn't being thrown around nearly as much as some perceive.
Garrett78
Jun 2016
#6
So here's the real deal - will the Democrats be safer running a Conservadem campaign or something
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#28
I do not accept your name calling. Believe that what I said is perfectly true.
highprincipleswork
Jun 2016
#65
Rep. Keith Ellison was one of the first to sound the alarm that Trump could be the GOP nom
Starry Messenger
Jun 2016
#12
Anyone who believes that Trump's rise is in response to anything but Obama's presidency is
Number23
Jun 2016
#57
Trump's rise and The Tea Party's rise both undoubtedly have much to do with us having a black POTUS.
Garrett78
Jun 2016
#64
I wonder how things might have been different if Sanders had embraced Obama's accomplishments.
randome
Jun 2016
#13
Embracing the bankster bailouts, several wars of choice, "free" trade, corporate ACA, etc.
Romulox
Jun 2016
#15
Without a positive message -only a negative one- he may have undermined his own campaign.
randome
Jun 2016
#16
Hillary didn't campaign on the "positives" of war in Libya, TPP, etc. She just flip-flopped. nt
Romulox
Jun 2016
#17
The point about white millennials is that they're perceived as being less ignorant than they are.
Garrett78
Jun 2016
#24
Don't sweat it. It's not true, and third way douchebags know it's not true.
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2016
#38
It's not true that the progressive movement tapped into by Bernie is racist. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Jun 2016
#41
"voting as an act of performative virtue" This sums up modern "progressivism" quite perfectly. nt
BobbyDrake
Jun 2016
#48
I don't think Clinton doing much better among POC was the result of a talking point.
Garrett78
Jun 2016
#53